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Kong's posts
I have just tried to reply to a thread started by Kong and found it locked. I'm not sure why as there was nothing abusive on there. I think it's important to have balance on this forum. Of course the majority of us know that there is good and bad in Australia as there is in any western country but I still find it interesting to read peoples views. I love reading about people who have made a success of things and who are enjoying their new lives but likewise I feel it is important to read about the downside too. Although most of us can read the good and bad with a sense of perspective there are some people who believe that Britain is a crime ridden toilet. They believe you can't walk down the street without getting mugged by an illegal immigrant whilst Australia is a tropical paradise where there is no crime and people only work a 3 day week and have barbecues the rest of the time. Neither of these views are a fair representation and I think that it's in everyones interests to have both sides debated. If you don't like particular posters then why not ignore them? I for one don't want any shocks when I eventually get to Australia.
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Originally posted by jugsy I have just tried to reply to a thread started by Kong and found it locked. I'm not sure why as there was nothing abusive on there. I think it's important to have balance on this forum. Of course the majority of us know that there is good and bad in Australia as there is in any western country but I still find it interesting to read peoples views. I love reading about people who have made a success of things and who are enjoying their new lives but likewise I feel it is important to read about the downside too. Although most of us can read the good and bad with a sense of perspective there are some people who believe that Britain is a crime ridden toilet. They believe you can't walk down the street without getting mugged by an illegal immigrant whilst Australia is a tropical paradise where there is no crime and people only work a 3 day week and have barbecues the rest of the time. Neither of these views are a fair representation and I think that it's in everyones interests to have both sides debated. If you don't like particular posters then why not ignore them? I for one don't want any shocks when I eventually get to Australia. A month or so back I posted similar, why are kongs posts closed, again nothing rude was in the thread just the usual very predictable folk who stick their fingers in their ears going la la la I dont want to hear what hes posting, which once again was FACTS about aus. I well appreciate his delivery at times is not to everybodies liking but Yes we need some balance because some of the other posts are wildly unrealistic and bear no resembance to the Australia I live in. |
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Originally posted by jugsy Although most of us can read the good and bad with a sense of perspective there are some people who believe that Britain is a crime ridden toilet. They believe you can't walk down the street without getting mugged by an illegal immigrant whilst Australia is a tropical paradise where there is no crime and people only work a 3 day week and have barbecues the rest of the time. |
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Originally posted by jugsy I have just tried to reply to a thread started by Kong and found it locked. I'm not sure why as there was nothing abusive on there. I think it's important to have balance on this forum. Of course the majority of us know that there is good and bad in Australia as there is in any western country but I still find it interesting to read peoples views. I love reading about people who have made a success of things and who are enjoying their new lives but likewise I feel it is important to read about the downside too. Although most of us can read the good and bad with a sense of perspective there are some people who believe that Britain is a crime ridden toilet. They believe you can't walk down the street without getting mugged by an illegal immigrant whilst Australia is a tropical paradise where there is no crime and people only work a 3 day week and have barbecues the rest of the time. Neither of these views are a fair representation and I think that it's in everyones interests to have both sides debated. If you don't like particular posters then why not ignore them? I for one don't want any shocks when I eventually get to Australia. As for locking these threads - thats just not on. They do present a level of realism. |
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Originally posted by Bordy I must have missed their posts, can't remember anyone being that naive. I agree Bordy, No one I have seen is that Naive. I personally find the posts by BANANAS/MLBONNER/HEVS/ POLLYANNA and many others who are kindly sharing the ups and downs of their moves to the other side of the world without giving a 1 sided story with of just possitive or negative. Kala |
I totally agree. Threads should be locked for bad language or personal insults but NOT because they give a view others do not want to hear.
As has been said they can always be ignored. I am not happy with this form of censorship. Lots of people have got away with much worse than Kong in the past. G |
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Originally posted by jugsy I have just tried to reply to a thread started by Kong and found it locked. I'm not sure why as there was nothing abusive on there. I think it's important to have balance on this forum. Of course the majority of us know that there is good and bad in Australia as there is in any western country but I still find it interesting to read peoples views. I love reading about people who have made a success of things and who are enjoying their new lives but likewise I feel it is important to read about the downside too. Although most of us can read the good and bad with a sense of perspective there are some people who believe that Britain is a crime ridden toilet. They believe you can't walk down the street without getting mugged by an illegal immigrant whilst Australia is a tropical paradise where there is no crime and people only work a 3 day week and have barbecues the rest of the time. Neither of these views are a fair representation and I think that it's in everyones interests to have both sides debated. If you don't like particular posters then why not ignore them? I for one don't want any shocks when I eventually get to Australia. Maybe its because most of the replies to Kongs posts are about Kong and how they find his posts "boring" (due to the cut and paste nature of his posts) than actually discussing the subject he raised. Personally I find he raises some interesting points and thinks he stops the rose-tinted specs from becoming too firmly affixed, but would also appreciate some real-life examples from his time in OZ. |
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Originally posted by jugsy I have just tried to reply to a thread started by Kong and found it locked. I'm not sure why as there was nothing abusive on there. I think it's important to have balance on this forum. Of course the majority of us know that there is good and bad in Australia as there is in any western country but I still find it interesting to read peoples views. I love reading about people who have made a success of things and who are enjoying their new lives but likewise I feel it is important to read about the downside too. Although most of us can read the good and bad with a sense of perspective there are some people who believe that Britain is a crime ridden toilet. They believe you can't walk down the street without getting mugged by an illegal immigrant whilst Australia is a tropical paradise where there is no crime and people only work a 3 day week and have barbecues the rest of the time. Neither of these views are a fair representation and I think that it's in everyones interests to have both sides debated. If you don't like particular posters then why not ignore them? I for one don't want any shocks when I eventually get to Australia. totally agree their has to be balance, But where is the balance in Kong's posts? he does not give you one positive for a negative it is just all negative. I admit i am one of the people who does not like his style of writing and is not because i think i am going to a tropical paradise it is because i want to find out what it is like for myself. The fact of the matter is Kong did not like or enjoy the time he spent in Australia and because of this he feels no one else will enjoy it either. |
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Originally posted by madsad totally agree their has to be balance, But where is the balance in Kong's posts? he does not give you one positive for a negative it is just all negative. I admit i am one of the people who does not like his style of writing and is not because i think i am going to a tropical paradise it is because i want to find out what it is like for myself. The fact of the matter is Kong did not like or enjoy the time he spent in Australia and because of this he feels no one else will enjoy it either. Look at your posting above - where is the balance there? It's all Kong negative! Also remember that the stuff he posts is invariably copied from 'reputable' news sources - he's not making this stuff up (though someone else might be). He's been there, got the t-shirt and returned. His opinions and views are as valid as anyone elses here. |
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Originally posted by NedKelly63 There is balance if you view the forum as a whole. Look at your posting above - where is the balance there? It's all Kong negative! Also remember that the stuff he posts is invariably copied from 'reputable' news sources - he's not making this stuff up (though someone else might be). He's been there, got the t-shirt and returned. His opinions and views are as valid as anyone elses here. Ok Ned, being a fellow Scot, we will agree to disagree, i was raised abroad so i know both sides of the coin. One question i do have, how narrow minded must you be to spend time travelling & not be able to take one postive experience from a country? |
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Originally posted by madsad Ok Ned, being a fellow Scot, we will agree to disagree, i was raised abroad so i know both sides of the coin. One question i do have, how narrow minded must you be to spend time travelling & not be able to take one postive experience from a country? ;) |
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Originally posted by kala I agree Bordy, No one I have seen is that Naive. I personally find the posts by BANANAS/MLBONNER/HEVS/ POLLYANNA and many others who are kindly sharing the ups and downs of their moves to the other side of the world without giving a 1 sided story with of just possitive or negative. Kala |
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Originally posted by NedKelly63 There is balance if you view the forum as a whole. Look at your posting above - where is the balance there? It's all Kong negative! Also remember that the stuff he posts is invariably copied from 'reputable' news sources - he's not making this stuff up (though someone else might be). He's been there, got the t-shirt and returned. His opinions and views are as valid as anyone elses here. Originally posted by RichS ABC - "I step in at times, to contradict some of his comments that are at odds with fact." shouldn't that have read... "When I'm rostered on to uphold the good name of Utopia I jump readily to the cause and beat the man heartily around the head and buttocks with a wet kipper until he recites the mantra 'all is well in Utopia and it rains every day in England'" ...ABC frequently has good advice to offer, but blow me down if he doesn't come across as a sort of marsupial Billy Graham at times. Well i'm sorry, but for those that consider my thoughts as a "marsupial Billy Graham", tough !! It's my life experience, and you don't want to hear it, maybe I am "too" positive about things, but thats only because I have chosen to be positive about life, and not keep looking at the negatives. When I used to look at the negatives all the time, and ignore the positives, I was not a happy person. One thing that I have learned from this, is that spending time away from this forum can be very relaxing :) For those that have PM'd me, and for others, I am quite happy to provide information by email or PM, even though I won't be posting as much on here now. |
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Originally posted by madsad totally agree their has to be balance, But where is the balance in Kong's posts? he does not give you one positive for a negative it is just all negative. If Kong posts a negative, I say give someone else the opportunity to say "well actually, I found the opposite in Oz", rather than lock the thread before replies can come in. If some people find them irrelevant, why don't they stay away instead of posting zzzzz signs all the time!! It's not hard is it!! |
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Originally posted by ABCDiamond ... For those that have PM'd me, and for others, I am quite happy to provide information by email or PM, even though I won't be posting as much on here now. |
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but thats only because I have chosen to be positive about life, and not keep looking at the negatives. When I used to look at the negatives all the time, and ignore the positives, I was not a happy person. Think you hit the nail on the head there ABC |
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Originally posted by ABCDiamond Obviously my experience of 10 years in OZ, then 4 years back in the UK, followed by my return back to OZ 4 years ago, is not considered acceptable by some. And I have pointed out many times that my reason for returning to the UK after my first 10 years here were very similar to those of Mike Stanton & Kong himself. The problem is, that after 4 years back in the UK i decided I was wrong and I preferred Australia after all. Well i'm sorry, but for those that consider my thoughts as a "marsupial Billy Graham", tough !! It's my life experience, and you don't want to hear it, maybe I am "too" positive about things, but thats only because I have chosen to be positive about life, and not keep looking at the negatives. When I used to look at the negatives all the time, and ignore the positives, I was not a happy person. I don't think Kong is unhappy in life...I just think he enjoys spicing up the board!! Some people let themsleves get sucked into it. I wonder if Kong had posted an article about Sydney being a stinking, polluted, hellhole, it would have been locked, whereas BP was able to succesffully post a 'negative' article about London, which sparked off a very healthy debate. That's where the balance is lacking. |
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Originally posted by NedKelly63 Thats a shame - I like your stuff too. |
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Originally posted by madsad Ok Ned, being a fellow Scot, we will agree to disagree, i was raised abroad so i know both sides of the coin. One question i do have, how narrow minded must you be to spend time travelling & not be able to take one postive experience from a country? |
I remember similar responses to PB and others but don't recall threads being locked.
There are one or two on here who can be a lot more offensive. Oh nad there are lots of people who now say they had listened to PB a bit more carefully G |
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Trouble is, his opinions are in a small minority, written by a small minority for a small minority, yet he seriously thinks all of you are going to experience what he did and so help you God.
He comes across as a person who wouldn't be happy anywhere and carries his personal grief everywhere with him. He hasn't shown the least bit of objectiveness in any post he's made yet. Even with his cut and pastes. He makes more blanket statements and sweeping generalisations about Australia than nothing on Earth. That aspect of him alone makes him near impossible to take seriously. He doesn't post for objectivity; he posts for shit-stirring purposes in the main. I notice you have a thing for the underdog Grayling. You a social worker in life or just a naturally conciliatory person? |
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Originally posted by Ulujain I notice you have a thing for the underdog Grayling. You a social worker in life or just a naturally conciliatory person? No just a naturally conciliatory person;) G |
Although kong's posts always seem negative, it is important to have diversity.
As long as the posts stay clean then they should remain open IMO. It would be pleasant if he could post both positive and negative with comparisons etc. sadly this doesn't appear to be the case. sometimes however emotions run high and things get posted that with hindsight would be better left alone. :o Paul. |
Bloody hell, why has this thread not been locked yet??? Only a matter of time I suppose I better type quickly.
I must admit I am puzzled and saddened by the continual locking of my threads. I post C + P to show the neg side of Aus to counter balance all the neg stuff written about the UK. I realise it comes across as one sided, but the majority of post on this board are incredibely one sided praising Aus. I only paste "factual" news stories, usually from Australian media sources!! Surely it is healthy to hear the pros and cons of Aussie life. Why should I post positive stuff about the place??? The wannabee ex pats post that in bucketloads. This forum used to be fun, with characters like Pommie Bastard and Dotty, bringing a dose of realism about Australia and the realities of life there. If they came back (I wish!) would they be barred/have their threads locked??? We are all grown ups here?? What is wrong with good natured debate? If no insults are thrown, what is the problem??? How long till this gets locked then??? :( |
Originally posted by kong Bloody hell, why has this thread not been locked yet??? Only a matter of time I suppose I better type quickly. I must admit I am puzzled and saddened by the continual locking of my threads. I post C + P to show the neg side of Aus to counter balance all the neg stuff written about the UK. I realise it comes across as one sided, but the majority of post on this board are incredibely one sided praising Aus. I only paste "factual" news stories, usually from Australian media sources!! Surely it is healthy to hear the pros and cons of Aussie life. Why should I post positive stuff about the place??? The wannabee ex pats post that in bucketloads. This forum used to be fun, with characters like Pommie Bastard and Dotty, bringing a dose of realism about Australia and the realities of life there. If they came back (I wish!) would they be barred/have their threads locked??? We are all grown ups here?? What is wrong with good natured debate? If no insults are thrown, what is the problem??? How long till this gets locked then??? :( |
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Originally posted by Ulujain He doesn't post for objectivity; he posts for shit-stirring purposes in the main. Personally I think Kong is a monkey-brained twerp, who cannot formulate his own opinions and/or convey them. But that isn't the point. He should be given the courtesy of free speech. Presumably it is the moderators who 'lock out' his posts, and it is they who should be commenting here. So where are they.........? |
Kong, what do/did YOU find good about aus or it's lifestyle ?
Paul. |
Originally posted by kong Bloody hell, why has this thread not been locked yet??? Only a matter of time I suppose I better type quickly. I must admit I am puzzled and saddened by the continual locking of my threads. I post C + P to show the neg side of Aus to counter balance all the neg stuff written about the UK. I realise it comes across as one sided, but the majority of post on this board are incredibely one sided praising Aus. I only paste "factual" news stories, usually from Australian media sources!! Surely it is healthy to hear the pros and cons of Aussie life. Why should I post positive stuff about the place??? The wannabee ex pats post that in bucketloads. This forum used to be fun, with characters like Pommie Bastard and Dotty, bringing a dose of realism about Australia and the realities of life there. If they came back (I wish!) would they be barred/have their threads locked??? We are all grown ups here?? What is wrong with good natured debate? If no insults are thrown, what is the problem??? How long till this gets locked then??? :( This has got to be a record monkey brain. A whole post in your own words. |
Originally posted by Paul&Ann-Marie Kong, what do/did YOU find good about aus or it's lifestyle ? Paul. Nice beaches, boogie boarding on the surf Cheap to run a car All very nice for a holiday, but to live in??? As Grayling said you cannot eat sand.;) |
I told AM when we were considering going to aus that if we lived the same financially ( not much money from one week to the next,actually that's not true, we were robbing peter to pay paul {so to speak}) in aus but in better conditions (weather,activities,interests etc )then i would be happy.
I still stand by that, i wont deny my dislike for the uk at the moment, sure it has it's good points but we have the opportunity to clear all our debts ( credit cards , debt management companies etc.)and start afresh with the knowledge of where we went wrong the first time round and are grabbing that by the horns.We aren't going on a whim' and a great deal of thought has gone into our decision. Kong, are you still in aus, if so why ? if not, why ? these are the things people want to know, not neccessarily one article after another, whilst important to read / know about these things i think it is equally important to post reasons for them and one's own views. Whilst having not followed ALL your posts, that is the first positive thing of yours i have read.Enjoy your boogeyboarding, i sure as hell will. :) paul. |
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Originally posted by chippy So did PB, and a damn site more so than Kong. I don't recall his posts getting locked out. Personally I think Kong is a monkey-brained twerp, who cannot formulate his own opinions and/or convey them. But that isn't the point. He should be given the courtesy of free speech. Presumably it is the moderators who 'lock out' his posts, and it is they who should be commenting here. So where are they.........? Re: courtesy and free speech. This is a private website and it's a courtesy to be even let post here. Free speech isn't a synonym for shit stirring, in anyone's language. I imagine his posts get locked as they're considered flamebait by the mods here. |
Originally posted by kong Clearer roads (out of the Cities) Nice beaches, boogie boarding on the surf Cheap to run a car All very nice for a holiday, but to live in??? As Grayling said you cannot eat sand.;) IMHO, Australia isn't a cheap place to run a car. Then again, I've been spoiled by 6 years of US cheapness. |
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Originally posted by jugsy I have just tried to reply to a thread started by Kong and found it locked. I'm not sure why as there was nothing abusive on there. I think it's important to have balance on this forum. Of course the majority of us know that there is good and bad in Australia as there is in any western country but I still find it interesting to read peoples views. I love reading about people who have made a success of things and who are enjoying their new lives but likewise I feel it is important to read about the downside too. Although most of us can read the good and bad with a sense of perspective there are some people who believe that Britain is a crime ridden toilet. They believe you can't walk down the street without getting mugged by an illegal immigrant whilst Australia is a tropical paradise where there is no crime and people only work a 3 day week and have barbecues the rest of the time. Neither of these views are a fair representation and I think that it's in everyones interests to have both sides debated. If you don't like particular posters then why not ignore them? I for one don't want any shocks when I eventually get to Australia. I agree Although Kong posts are always on the negative side it brightens up this forum no end. In fact when he doesn't post I kind of miss him!! There are 2 things you can be sure of in Oz and that is there will always be positives and negatives and I want to hear both sides of the debate thankyou very much. True, most of Kong's postings are cut and paste jobs and he has a style of writing that does not appeal to all but I can live with it. Another thing too, I've never seen an offensive or abusive thread posted by Kong so what's the problem? He hates Oz, some people on here hate the UK and I don't see the UK haters being locked out of threads. I personally find his crack ok. If you don't like him you can always put him on your no play list. The only reason I can imagine Kong being locked out is people are complaining about his negativity and if that's the case people want to take the cotton wool out of their ears and rose coloured glasses from their eyes coz contrary to what some people think Oz aint no Utopia just like the UK isn't. I hate to see any animals caged especially monkeys so I say to the mods "please release him let him go" Alternitavley anyone fancy starting a poll to see if Kong should stay or go? I know where my votes going!! ;) Walla |
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Originally posted by walla1 ... Alternitavley anyone fancy starting a poll to see if Kong should stay or go? I know where my votes going!! ;) Walla |
Originally posted by Ulujain No Australian does eat sand. Australians eat as well as most Western European nations. I say most, as there are some Western European nations that aren't as well off as Australia. IMHO, Australia isn't a cheap place to run a car. Then again, I've been spoiled by 6 years of US cheapness. There are not so many of those posts nowadays but there are still plenty that do a good demolition job on the UK. I do not like those posts because I do not see things that way. To me they are 'flamebait'. I would not want to see them locked though. G |
Originally posted by Grayling The bit about the sand was in response to the type of post that says better to be out of work, poor, dealing with life's problems etc. because at least the beaches are nice:rolleyes: There are not so many of those posts nowadays but there are still plenty that do a good demolition job on the UK. I do not like those posts because I do not see things that way. To me they are 'flamebait'. I would not want to see them locked though. G I'm not keen on seeing things locked either, but then again, like most things on the Internet, this board isn't a democracy. Having never step foot in Europe, let alone the UK, I can't demolish it. I can only go off official established fact, whatever it's worth. |
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Originally posted by NedKelly63 There was a poll about that very subject a while back - be damned if I can find it though! Ned Can you remember the result? Walla |
Kong dosnt present a balanced view of anything, he / she appears to have an axe to grind about Australia and seems to be hellbent on badmouthing the place do the exclusion of saying anything positive at all. Anyone can go surfing for bad news about a country and post it on here in support of their own views and for every bit of trashtalking kong does about australia I am sure someone could do the same about the UK.... is that the sort of 'balanced view' that should be encouraged? I think not . Personally I have no issue with someone pointing out the drawbacks of a place but when they constantly ram it down my throat, well you have to wonder at their motives.
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Originally posted by Ulujain Re: courtesy and free speech. This is a private website and it's a courtesy to be even let post here. Private? Really...... Anyone can register, at any time, using any name, even after they've been banned. As Kong has proven. |
Personally I have no problem with stimulating a debate by starting a Cut & Paste thread but ... As you have been there and done that Kong, I would like to here reasoned opinions on what you post, rather than a long boring news article (some of which are really old by the way). The point of debate is to hear both sides of the story but you hide behind these cut and paste stories.
It's clear that you don't particularly like Oz. I don't know how long you were there but there must have been some things Aussie that you liked (apart from your wife ;)) I think that generally speaking you haven't 'abused' anyone unless they started it so I have no problem with offering the negative view of Australia, I'd just like to hear more of your personal views on the subject. If there was a vote on should he be banned? I'd vote no. If you don't like his stuff people, just ignore him. |
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