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bcworld Jul 5th 2012 10:50 pm

Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
 
I'm always amazed by how many people on here live (or lived) in The Azores! :lol:

energysolutions Jul 5th 2012 11:11 pm

Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
 

Originally Posted by LouiseR (Post 10157907)
As inefficient as we all know they are, they're often more unhelpful to someone with no visa who's 12,000 miles away.... Just sayin'.

But they're not 12,000 miles away - they're all relatively local in the UK

I dont understand why a company would advertise an Australian job in the UK (which probably takes time and money) complete with visa etc and then be unhelpful/more unhelpful?

Are you somehow suggesting this is my fault by applying for the job (which they've already stated I`m a good match for in all cases)?:confused:

energysolutions Jul 5th 2012 11:16 pm

Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 10157924)
You say that, but then you've said, and others have confirmed that:



I am at a loss as to why any company who rarely employ on a permanent basis - tradies of any description, would agree to sponsor an unlicenced unknown entity who's 12,000 miles away. I find it even harder to believe that were they to change the habits of a lifetime and agree to sponsor, they would then pay for relocation and licence fees.

There are way too many unemployed electricians of all types on the ground here to choose from. Looking overseas at great expense makes no financial sense.

To clarify, the jobs are advertised in the UK and thats precisely what they (several companies) proposed to do - permanently employ an unlicensed, unknown entity who's 12,000 miles away

Do you think I`m making this up? If looking overseas at great expense makes no financial sense why does the 457 visa exist?

moneypenny20 Jul 6th 2012 1:40 am

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Originally Posted by energysolutions (Post 10157980)
To clarify, the jobs are advertised in the UK and thats precisely what they (several companies) proposed to do - permanently employ an unlicensed, unknown entity who's 12,000 miles away

Do you think I`m making this up? If looking overseas at great expense makes no financial sense why does the 457 visa exist?

:confused: Why would I think that? I'm simply saying how it is and how tradies are employed. You were talking about recruitment firms as far as I could tell. It still makes no sense financially specifically in relation to electricians, not the 457 in general. I don't see how they can even offer sponsorship when they have to prove to DIAC that they can't find local workers.

energysolutions Jul 6th 2012 5:56 am

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 10158179)
:confused: Why would I think that? I'm simply saying how it is and how tradies are employed. You were talking about recruitment firms as far as I could tell. It still makes no sense financially specifically in relation to electricians, not the 457 in general. I don't see how they can even offer sponsorship when they have to prove to DIAC that they can't find local workers.

It must make sense financially as there is literally 5+ companies doing exactly that (admittedly with varying degrees of competence it seems)

Today I contacted the last company who are currently heavily recruiting electricians, going as far as putting adverts in major tabloids (not cheap - must be serious) and they are looking like a good bet

I forgot to mention that the company most local to me have already sent out at least one squad of electricians earlier in the year (I didn't realise this was on offer then, was still mucking about with the PR visa process), those guys all went on 457s with relocation packages and got retrained at no expense once they were in Australia

For me the pros very much outweigh the cons

rinkerdink Jul 6th 2012 6:16 am

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Hi,

Having done the hard yards I'll be interested to see if you have any success, I too read all the adverts about the job finders and relocation packages but got the impression they were snake oil salesmen in disguise. Good luck and please let us know how you get on. Migrating as an electrician and getting licenced is poxy to say the least so any new quick easy and lucrative options that come about will be great. I remain quietly sceptical though

energysolutions Jul 6th 2012 7:33 am

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Originally Posted by rinkerdink (Post 10158617)
Hi,

Having done the hard yards I'll be interested to see if you have any success, I too read all the adverts about the job finders and relocation packages but got the impression they were snake oil salesmen in disguise. Good luck and please let us know how you get on. Migrating as an electrician and getting licenced is poxy to say the least so any new quick easy and lucrative options that come about will be great. I remain quietly sceptical though

Cheers rinkerdink

You are right about the licensing, its far from straight forward or swift but provided it works out this is the best option for me

Going back to one of my original points, moving from the UK to Australia to work as an Electrician (or indeed any licensed trade) is far from the easy process many imagine it to be

rinkerdink Jul 6th 2012 7:58 am

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Hi,

To be fair thats exactly why I am so sceptical of the sponsorship route, a company has a leap of faith taking somebody on from oversea's based on at best a reference and an interview. Then they are paying all the costs for training etc with no guarantee's that you will even pass and get a licence, meanwhile they are paying you while you can't work freely in the skill they need.

It is very tough for licenced occupations to get sponsorship for these reasons, but good luck!!! It would be nice to hear of someone playing the system and short cutting a lot of the rigmarole without being out of pocket

energysolutions Jul 6th 2012 8:01 am

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Originally Posted by rinkerdink (Post 10158759)
Hi,

To be fair thats exactly why I am so sceptical of the sponsorship route, a company has a leap of faith taking somebody on from oversea's based on at best a reference and an interview. Then they are paying all the costs for training etc with no guarantee's that you will even pass and get a licence, meanwhile they are paying you while you can't work freely in the skill they need.

It is very tough for licenced occupations to get sponsorship for these reasons, but good luck!!! It would be nice to hear of someone playing the system and short cutting a lot of the rigmarole without being out of pocket

Thats it rinkerdink - I think we`re on the same page......;)

Bermudashorts Jul 6th 2012 9:31 am

Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
 

Originally Posted by energysolutions (Post 10157899)
Yep, you are missing the point - I aint complaining about someone else "picking up the tab" - why would I?

My initial post was primarily to highlight how inefficient recruitment companies are/can be

I thought your first post was about your surprise that you haven't been snapped up and whisked away to a new life in the sun.


When I talk with people about my plans most people are under the impression (I probably was my self until recently) that its dead easy and Australia is crying out for good quality workers that tick all the boxes. The picture painted is that if you fit the criteria then you`ll be presented with a Visa and whisked off to your new life in the sun in your dream job with more money than you can spend

The reality is VERY different and the patience of a saint is required - rant over
Yes you carry on kidding yourself that the reason this has not happened because of recruitment agents inefficiency. :nod:

energysolutions Jul 6th 2012 10:04 am

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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 10158886)
I thought your first post was about your surprise that you haven't been snapped up and whisked away to a new life in the sun.

Same difference is it not? If the recruitment companies (which I was venting about) were more efficient and simply hooked me up with some of the positions that they're advertising (no one is putting a gun to their head and making them do that BTW) I would be whisked away to a new life in the sun


Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 10158886)
Yes you carry on kidding yourself that the reason this has not happened because of recruitment agents inefficiency. :nod:

I`ll continue on with my journey, hopefully it leads me where I want to go - I`m still optimistic despite the hurdles and other peoples negativity......

moneypenny20 Jul 6th 2012 3:00 pm

Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
 

Originally Posted by energysolutions (Post 10158914)
I`m still optimistic despite the hurdles and other peoples negativity......

You call it negativity, the rest of us call it honesty. But good luck with it.

KingsthorpeDavid Jul 6th 2012 6:21 pm

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The pace of life is slower Down Under, takes a while to get used to it.

KD

macy Jul 6th 2012 6:44 pm

Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
 

Originally Posted by energysolutions (Post 10157899)
Yep, you are missing the point - I aint complaining about someone else "picking up the tab" - why would I?

My initial post was primarily to highlight how inefficient recruitment companies are/can be

If a consultant in a recruitment agency was interested in you and they felt they could get you a job, trust me they would hound you all the time with phone calls and interviews lined up...... if you are not being contacted by the consultant you sent your cv / resume to then assume they cannot use you in the current job market and I would contact companies direct. Good Luck

chris955 Jul 6th 2012 6:49 pm

Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
 
Having now moved to rural Herefordshire I find the whole 'slower pace of life Down Under' a bit exaggerated to be honest.


Originally Posted by KingsthorpeDavid (Post 10159342)
The pace of life is slower Down Under, takes a while to get used to it.

KD



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