Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
Jul 5th 2012 | 12:04 pm
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Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
It is very very rare for sparkies and other trades to get sponsored. Not impossible, but fantastically difficult. Also, there is no guarantee you will be offered any relocation package. I know people that work in areas that get sponsorship easy and didn't get any relocation help
Jul 5th 2012 | 12:56 pm
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Jul 5th 2012 | 12:58 pm
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Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
The reality is very different as many in OZ are unemployed, far higher than the figures show. The unemployment rate is around 5% but to be counted as EMPLOYED you need to work 2 hours in a fortnight!!!
Many people will vouch for how hard it is to get work here.
Trade work in particular Electricians needs a lot of licences, insurances, converting to australian qualifications.... and usually australain experience. Look at the forum for electricians, should be much info there. Many many tradies on the ground competing for jobs is the reality.
Lashings of cash when you arrive should be taken with a pinch of salt. Very expensive
, some of the worlds most expensive cities.
Start afresh with what aussied-up qualifications you will actually need to work in OZ.
Many people will vouch for how hard it is to get work here.
Trade work in particular Electricians needs a lot of licences, insurances, converting to australian qualifications.... and usually australain experience. Look at the forum for electricians, should be much info there. Many many tradies on the ground competing for jobs is the reality.
Lashings of cash when you arrive should be taken with a pinch of salt. Very expensive
, some of the worlds most expensive cities. Start afresh with what aussied-up qualifications you will actually need to work in OZ.
Jul 5th 2012 | 1:18 pm
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Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
Or I could chuck away a fortune getting my own license via Vetassess and PR Visa, wait around 18 months for the privilege (last time I checked), pay all my own flights and associated relocation costs to arrive with a restricted license and no job (and probably little chance of getting one until I have some experience and an unrestricted license - potential catch 22)
I think I`ll take my chances with my current direction......
I think I`ll take my chances with my current direction......
There's plenty of unemployed electricians in Australia who don't need 'retraining, flights and associated costs' paying for.
Sometimes the 'easy' way isn't so easy.
Jul 5th 2012 | 3:36 pm
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Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
I would have to say, now that we're here, that the feeling of security we have from having a PR visa was worth all the hassle and patience it took to get it. Have heard so many stories already from my niece and nephews of their friends who were sponsored to come over then dumped by their employer and ending up in a certain creek without certain implements...
Edited to add that we had PR before we came over and the recruitment agents were just as useless! They were bad enough to deal with (for my husband) when we were here, they certainly don't care when you're 12,000 miles away...
Edited to add that we had PR before we came over and the recruitment agents were just as useless! They were bad enough to deal with (for my husband) when we were here, they certainly don't care when you're 12,000 miles away...
Jul 5th 2012 | 7:49 pm
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Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
It is very very rare for sparkies and other trades to get sponsored. Not impossible, but fantastically difficult. Also, there is no guarantee you will be offered any relocation package. I know people that work in areas that get sponsorship easy and didn't get any relocation help
I should also mention that there was a company that I didn't get round to calling yesterday who I believe offer the best prospects are heavily recruiting right now, it would be my second choice location wise and career wise (Job one by far the best option if it comes off, right location and excellent cash) but if it gets my foot in the door I`ll give it a whirl
They too are including a 457 visa, relocation package and retraining, the only downside being you're "tied in" with the company (which the 457 does to a point anyway) for a period to allow them to recoup their costs which I can understand
Jul 5th 2012 | 7:58 pm
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Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
And what happens if someone takes you on with a 457 visa and you make a life here. If they then decide they don't want you anymore. You've got 28 days to pack up and bugger off out of the country.
There's plenty of unemployed electricians in Australia who don't need 'retraining, flights and associated costs' paying for.
Sometimes the 'easy' way isn't so easy.
There's plenty of unemployed electricians in Australia who don't need 'retraining, flights and associated costs' paying for.
Sometimes the 'easy' way isn't so easy.
As I`ve already said Ive sized up the options open to me and the 457 route (even with its potential downsides which I`m fully aware of) is definitely the best fit for me
Jul 5th 2012 | 8:18 pm
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Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
Four of the five jobs that I mentioned include a relocation package and all include 457 sponsorship
I should also mention that there was a company that I didn't get round to calling yesterday who I believe offer the best prospects are heavily recruiting right now, it would be my second choice location wise and career wise (Job one by far the best option if it comes off, right location and excellent cash) but if it gets my foot in the door I`ll give it a whirl
They too are including a 457 visa, relocation package and retraining, the only downside being you're "tied in" with the company (which the 457 does to a point anyway) for a period to allow them to recoup their costs which I can understand
I should also mention that there was a company that I didn't get round to calling yesterday who I believe offer the best prospects are heavily recruiting right now, it would be my second choice location wise and career wise (Job one by far the best option if it comes off, right location and excellent cash) but if it gets my foot in the door I`ll give it a whirl
They too are including a 457 visa, relocation package and retraining, the only downside being you're "tied in" with the company (which the 457 does to a point anyway) for a period to allow them to recoup their costs which I can understand
You need to note though, its not a case of being tied in with the company for a period, you ARE tied to that job, nothing to do with recouping costs. Without that job you have no visa - and unless you can find another sponsor you would have 28 days to leave the country.
Jul 5th 2012 | 8:46 pm
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Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
Or I could chuck away a fortune getting my own license via Vetassess and PR Visa, wait around 18 months for the privilege (last time I checked), pay all my own flights and associated relocation costs to arrive with a restricted license and no job (and probably little chance of getting one until I have some experience and an unrestricted license - potential catch 22)
I think I`ll take my chances with my current direction......
I think I`ll take my chances with my current direction......
Jul 5th 2012 | 9:50 pm
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I can afford the visa, application fee and flights but personally I tend to think I would rather let someone else pick up the costs (which they are offering to do) so I don't have to - I imagine most people would prefer this idea given the option
Jul 5th 2012 | 9:52 pm
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If you can get sponsorship as an electrician, good luck to you, it is very unusual these days.
You need to note though, its not a case of being tied in with the company for a period, you ARE tied to that job, nothing to do with recouping costs. Without that job you have no visa - and unless you can find another sponsor you would have 28 days to leave the country.
You need to note though, its not a case of being tied in with the company for a period, you ARE tied to that job, nothing to do with recouping costs. Without that job you have no visa - and unless you can find another sponsor you would have 28 days to leave the country.
Don't worry, I fully understand the potential risks of the 457
Jul 5th 2012 | 10:15 pm
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Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
So its a "closed shop" unless you're rich?
I can afford the visa, application fee and flights but personally I tend to think I would rather let someone else pick up the costs (which they are offering to do) so I don't have to - I imagine most people would prefer this idea given the option
I can afford the visa, application fee and flights but personally I tend to think I would rather let someone else pick up the costs (which they are offering to do) so I don't have to - I imagine most people would prefer this idea given the option
Jul 5th 2012 | 10:27 pm
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Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
My initial post was primarily to highlight how inefficient recruitment companies are/can be
Jul 5th 2012 | 10:36 pm
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As inefficient as we all know they are, they're often more unhelpful to someone with no visa who's 12,000 miles away.... Just sayin'.
Jul 5th 2012 | 10:46 pm
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Re: Is it just me or is this the "norm"?
So its a "closed shop" unless you're rich?
I can afford the visa, application fee and flights but personally I tend to think I would rather let someone else pick up the costs (which they are offering to do) so I don't have to - I imagine most people would prefer this idea given the option
I can afford the visa, application fee and flights but personally I tend to think I would rather let someone else pick up the costs (which they are offering to do) so I don't have to - I imagine most people would prefer this idea given the option
There are way too many unemployed electricians of all types on the ground here to choose from. Looking overseas at great expense makes no financial sense.
