As jayr was saying ...
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As jayr was saying ...
"Immigrants try either to maintain their native beliefs or to adopt the beliefs of their host country. The first option is difficult: They are in a culture incompatible with their native beliefs and will sustain their spirituality only if it was already strongly established. In the second case, where immigrants adopt the host country's spirituality, they must learn an entirely new system. In either case Immigrants must cope with the problems of conflict between two cultures, until they reach a spiritual stage where cultural references become meaningless."
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Re: As jayr was saying ...
Originally posted by Megalania
"Immigrants try either to maintain their native beliefs or to adopt the beliefs of their host country. The first option is difficult: They are in a culture incompatible with their native beliefs and will sustain their spirituality only if it was already strongly established. In the second case, where immigrants adopt the host country's spirituality, they must learn an entirely new system. In either case Immigrants must cope with the problems of conflict between two cultures, until they reach a spiritual stage where cultural references become meaningless."
"Immigrants try either to maintain their native beliefs or to adopt the beliefs of their host country. The first option is difficult: They are in a culture incompatible with their native beliefs and will sustain their spirituality only if it was already strongly established. In the second case, where immigrants adopt the host country's spirituality, they must learn an entirely new system. In either case Immigrants must cope with the problems of conflict between two cultures, until they reach a spiritual stage where cultural references become meaningless."
I thnk this gets to the heart of the immigrant experience, read and think...
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Re: As jayr was saying ...
Originally posted by Megalania
"Immigrants try either to maintain their native beliefs or to adopt the beliefs of their host country.
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In either case Immigrants must cope with the problems of conflict between two cultures, until they reach a spiritual stage where cultural references become meaningless."
"Immigrants try either to maintain their native beliefs or to adopt the beliefs of their host country.
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In either case Immigrants must cope with the problems of conflict between two cultures, until they reach a spiritual stage where cultural references become meaningless."
Cultural references don't become meaningless, they blend and produce a new culture in which you can see the influences of both ancestral cultures.
In other words I will become Australinglish. I hope!
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Originally posted by MarkMyWords
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In other words I will become Australinglish. I hope!
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In other words I will become Australinglish. I hope!
Anya.
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What you believe, how strongly you believe in it and how deep rooted it is within your personal set-up is purely a 'personal' thing and hence why some migrants 'make it' and some don't.
Isn't that the beauty of human nature, isn't that what makes us all different?
For gawds sake, why is their so much bitchin' about who's 'made it' and who hasn't - haven't those who've returned to their homeland at least had the balls to 'have a go'? Certainly bigger balls than those who sit on their arses dreaming about it but find a million and one comfortable reasons not to.
To those who are about to go - follow your dreams
To those who are there - give it a bloody good go
And to those who've returned - well done for trying
Isn't that the beauty of human nature, isn't that what makes us all different?
For gawds sake, why is their so much bitchin' about who's 'made it' and who hasn't - haven't those who've returned to their homeland at least had the balls to 'have a go'? Certainly bigger balls than those who sit on their arses dreaming about it but find a million and one comfortable reasons not to.
To those who are about to go - follow your dreams
To those who are there - give it a bloody good go
And to those who've returned - well done for trying
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In Australia immigrants have passed on some native beliefs into Australian culture. Quite natural for a nation wanting to develop its own identity. What is Australian culture? The answer will vary from suburb to suburb and city to city.
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Originally posted by bondipom
In Australia immigrants have passed on some native beliefs into Australian culture. Quite natural for a nation wanting to develop its own identity. What is Australian culture? The answer will vary from suburb to suburb and city to city.
In Australia immigrants have passed on some native beliefs into Australian culture. Quite natural for a nation wanting to develop its own identity. What is Australian culture? The answer will vary from suburb to suburb and city to city.
To fit into the society here in Tin Can it would appear you either have to be a habitual drunk, a user of recreational drugs or both
Hic.....
Pass the spliff dear
Just joking :scared:
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Re: As jayr was saying ...
Originally posted by MarkMyWords
There would be no point in going if I were just going to hang on to my existing world view, but OTOH I am what I am
There would be no point in going if I were just going to hang on to my existing world view, but OTOH I am what I am
"I ams what I ams ack ack ack ack"
Oh it must be bedtime,
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Re: As jayr was saying ...
Originally posted by JackTheLad
Didn't know you studied Popeye?
"I ams what I ams ack ack ack ack"
Oh it must be bedtime,
JTL
Didn't know you studied Popeye?
"I ams what I ams ack ack ack ack"
Oh it must be bedtime,
JTL
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Re: As jayr was saying ...
Originally posted by MarkMyWords
In other words I will become Australinglish. I hope!
In other words I will become Australinglish. I hope!
In the period leading up to becoming Australinglish you will have to cope with the conflicts of the two cultures coming together.
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Re: As jayr was saying ...
Originally posted by MarkMyWords
This is surely too limited. When I become an immigrant I fully expect that I will mix'n'match my beliefs and attitudes (the best of both, naturally, ahem). There would be no point in going if I were just going to hang on to my existing world view, but OTOH I am what I am (the sum of my experiences) and I'm not going to turn into someone completely new and "native".
Cultural references don't become meaningless, they blend and produce a new culture in which you can see the influences of both ancestral cultures.
In other words I will become Australinglish. I hope!
This is surely too limited. When I become an immigrant I fully expect that I will mix'n'match my beliefs and attitudes (the best of both, naturally, ahem). There would be no point in going if I were just going to hang on to my existing world view, but OTOH I am what I am (the sum of my experiences) and I'm not going to turn into someone completely new and "native".
Cultural references don't become meaningless, they blend and produce a new culture in which you can see the influences of both ancestral cultures.
In other words I will become Australinglish. I hope!
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Re: As jayr was saying ...
Originally posted by Megalania
" In either case Immigrants must cope with the problems of conflict between two cultures, until they reach a spiritual stage where cultural references become meaningless."
" In either case Immigrants must cope with the problems of conflict between two cultures, until they reach a spiritual stage where cultural references become meaningless."
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Plenty of stories of first generation immigrants clinging to custom, second generation pulled twixt parents and society. Later in life, they or the third generation discovering resonances with first generation's culture.