It works out about $150 square metre. Both Buzzy Bee and I are sold on the idea and may be using the same concreter.
ICF Block - 50
Concrete in fill - 16
Labour - 18
Plasterboard/Adhesives - 6
External Rendering - 60
Total per square metre - 150

The outside just needs an acrylic render with fibre mesh to help it bond.

Internally the plasterboard goes straight on - the difference of how to fix is going to be the deciding factor for me between two suppliers - one you have to create battens too afix, the other has plastic strips you can screw into. Both use std stud adhesive as the bonding unit.

interesting i am wondering if that is cheaper than brickwork inside and out .
blocks verticore 290x162 =approx 19 square mtr x2 at a dollar a block to buy = $38 a metre
bricklayer cost =$38
sand and cement $5
plasterboard inside $6
external normal render ,no fibre mesh $30 a metre
total =$117 a square all supplied
The meter rate for render was a an over the top guess and is probably nearer 20-25 supplied .

The difference may be in the acoustic and insulation? Also your render in WA sounds very cheap compared to what quotes we are getting here in Melbourne (not less than $50 per square metre for normal brickwork).

What rating does the verticore provide? - do they also require further insulation? Sorry forgot to also mention the $150 includes an element of reinforcing rods as the form used is for 3 storey property.

The rating example from the Thermacell block is R3.22 I dont yet have the ratings from the other crowd.

Timber you must be jealous of what some people earn or something. I am in the building game and have been for 25 years. On flat day rates the average wage is around $1800-$2000 per week. On price work we earn around $2500-$3000 per week. FACT

Dont be so rude as to write bullshit after I have replied to someones question based on facts that I know.

1. im not jealous. Not sure what I would be jealous of mate.
2. I am also in the building game, and do not feel it necessary to justify, my earnings, for you to benchmark.
3. your earnings are your business good onya
4. the average expat brickie landing here, experienced and a good trowell, is not gonna want to know, what some high flying 25 yr experienced brickie is earning. He is gonna wanna know what is achievable as an average wage. The figures you state are not average wages for a brickie.
5. Mate if i wanna call you a TWAT I reserve that right, however I didnt. I said BULLSHIT. Because that is in response to your average wage and expected earnings. It is bullshit
6. I respect what facts you know, good onya !!!

Now that you have that off your chest, I hope you continue laying bricks for many more years to come. However, its possibly a bit more realistic being straight with people who are asking general questions, in relation to expected earnings.

Your observations, experiences and earnings are excellent. I for one am exstatic you are earning that. However, this doesnt detract from the fact most "new brickies" arriving here, are not gonna be on price work !!!!

They are gonna be on day/metreage rates ! Working as a subby for a main contractor. Thats just a genearalisation but I think truthful.

Ste

I dont really know why you are being so enthusiastic about your replies.

I cant lie and say that people earn less than they actually do.

Here on the Gold Coast the rates of pay are excellent and still rising. We work hard for what we get and when we are on price work we deserve what we earn.

I didnt ever state that its a guaranteed wage just what the going rate is here.

I still maintain that your first comment of BULLSHIT was out of order and not needed. I would not ever be so rude as that.

You could have pointed out that the rates were different in your area and not to base all wages on my figures.

The initial thread was for TYPICAL earnings in the Brisbane Area.

Not having a clue where you are, or how you read the thread, I understood that perhaps you were replying in kind to the OP.

I think perhaps you have misread my reply, BULLSHIT. Which is I think, justified, for a TYPICAL BRICKLAYERS wage in BRISBANE.

I dont discount the effort and earnings you earn in the Gold Coast. Its admirable, and perhaps, Im not sure... but being in the trade for over 20 odd years myself, doesnt reflect the average earnings over a full 12 month period.

However, thats not for me to question, and or pass judgment on.

Im also sure, as a brickie, to be somewhat offended at , a retort of BULLSHIT... is humorous, and perhaps, you have taken it personally. That being the case, apologies !

Doesnt detract from the fact, a Brickie in Brisbane, expecting a WAGE. Is not gonna , as a general rule , be earning 3k a week.

Ste

I will leave this thread and make no more replies on it.

I have always found this site to be helpful and a good source of information. The only time I reply to someone is if I think I can be of help to someone or add something constructive.

Everyone posting and reading on the site should all feel safer in the knowledge that Timber is policing the site and putting right everyones experiences, views and knowledge that they are trying to pass on.

Maybe it would be better of no-one replied and just left it all to you.

Maybe sometimes people may want to hear what you can actually earn on site and not just the minimum wage being offered on all sites. It gives people a better outlook if they can hear good reports, average reports and bad reports, this is how an average is reached.

Mate really CMON !!

What ya goin on about????

Behave fgs. As do you have the right to an opinion, others also have the right to theirs. No need to spit the dummy.

Making ridiculous statements like, Im JEALOUS, and POLICING the site, and preventing posters from making comments..... is I think a tad childish in comparison, to the word BULLSHIT?

Get some perspective on it mate.

If you had originally said, :_

I for one would not have commented. So lets get a reality check, dont for gods sake, NOT post because of me, and using the word, BullShit !!

Croiky !

Why dont you invite him to the next meet,would liven things up a bit

i know a few brickies up here and $40 an hour is the rate. they are however all casually employed. that is the big thing IMO. no work, no pay. this can happen a fair bit in the wet season and severley dent earnings. if there are a couple of days between jobs, again no work, no pay. i would say that there earnings are not consistent. i think i will stick to being a sparky. i would say that out of all the trades, brickies and concreters really do deserve every penny they get up here because all the work is in the sun. they very rarely get to work in the shade due to construction methods.

To the OP.

There are 3/4 jobs bricklayer jobs on the jobsearch australia website, goldcoast and brisbane.

Pay is $32 or $33 a hour thats about $260 a day.

Be aware that the jobs, like many here are casual employment, ie weeks/days you dont work you wont get paid for, No hols sick pay etc so yearly income would probably be less than 50 grand.

hi GG ,i am talking in west australian terms and at present there we really dont bother about thermal insulation ,so that could be where the extra costs are .
Your rendering at $50 a square is expensive ,maybe WA plasterers should move to VIC .
At the end of the day a lot of small builders operate on quick turnover and often they have borrowed money to build spec homes and in some cases it is more effective to pay more per metre to get the job done quicker 'so they can pay the banks interest off quicker and move onto the next project .

Bang on the money jad n rich ,i am in perth and they are paying slightly more but daily rates are going to fall to around 250 -280 because of the slight slowdown here in perth .

Hi Timber ,I know of subbies here in perth who are earning 5000 a week BUT they have 30 bricklayers on and 15 labourers and a wage bill on average of over 50000 a week ,sure he is gettin a good wedge but a hell of a risk and a hell of a bank overdraft.
He is statrting to sweat now as he has no work coming up after easter and a huge lifestyle to pay for still ie huge house ,brand new 4 wheeler and an expensive wife .