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Re: Implications of taking citizenship
Originally Posted by JAJ
(Post 6367127)
Of course there might well be conscription in Britain too.
What if this happened (in Australia) and a person who had taken up citizenship then decided to renounce it (being a dual-national)? Would they be allowed to? |
Re: Implications of taking citizenship
Originally Posted by bothworlds
(Post 6367137)
A democratic society is one that is governed by will of the people, not where people have complete freedom of choice. I think you're thinking of an anarchic society :)
In Australia there is no compulsion to *vote*, it is simply required to present oneself at a voting centre. This makes parties more likely to present policies aimed at governing rather than at getting out the vote a la the USA. Neither compulsion nor any other system is perfect, but ours (IMO) is the best one on offer, all things comsidered. |
Re: Implications of taking citizenship
I actually think countries like the UK and Australia might have to introduce some kind of conscription in the not too distant future. Most western countries are struggling to retain and recruit enough people - the RAN has half of their submarines in port as they do not have enough submariners for instance. If the west continues with the 'war on terror'/police actions then I can definitely see this happening.
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Re: Implications of taking citizenship
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 6367151)
I actually think countries like the UK and Australia might have to introduce some kind of conscription in the not too distant future. Most western countries are struggling to retain and recruit enough people - the RAN has half of their submarines in port as they do not have enough submariners for instance. If the west continues with the 'war on terror'/police actions then I can definitely see this happening.
The government of the day would basically fall. The public support a notion of not supporting terrorists but lets not forget the "war against terror" bush-invading-stylee basically a completely unpopular cause with the public. Howard was a numpty of course and it was better of the evils. It would be easier to withdraw from global arena's and concentrate on home security with fewer forces. That said a single massive terror event may prompt an anti terror/muslim response from any country and may be the excuse needed for any government to endorse national service riding on the crest of public hatred. |
Re: Implications of taking citizenship
Originally Posted by bothworlds
(Post 6367137)
In Australia there is no compulsion to *vote*, it is simply required to present oneself at a voting centre.
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Re: Implications of taking citizenship
Originally Posted by Bailey1
(Post 6368586)
So can anyone tell me what exactly happens if you don't present yourself at the voting centre?
I guess in the sticks some people might start to consider this a cheaper alternative than driving to the polling station :D |
Re: Implications of taking citizenship
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
(Post 6354179)
It is like the UK; Australia does not have compulsory military conscription. Under normal circumstances, Australians can only be called up if they are actually in the army or reserves.
What Dorothy means is that if Australia were to introduce compulsory conscription during wartime (as occurred during the Vietnam war), Australian citizens would be called up to serve in the forces. Foreign residents would be exempt. |
Re: Implications of taking citizenship
I think Australia introduced compulsory voting because they were getting small turn outs. I was reading a book about Menzies recently and when he was in Vic he was being elected on something like a 20% turn out. In these circumstances gerrymandering becomes a significant problem.
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Re: Implications of taking citizenship
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 6367151)
I actually think countries like the UK and Australia might have to introduce some kind of conscription in the not too distant future. Most western countries are struggling to retain and recruit enough people - the RAN has half of their submarines in port as they do not have enough submariners for instance. If the west continues with the 'war on terror'/police actions then I can definitely see this happening.
Peacetime conscription won't happen in Aus because the Aussies are resistant to conscription. Although there was conscription for Vietnam the pollies failed to bring it in in WW1&2. Also it's only bogan nations that use peacetime conscription. :D |
Re: Implications of taking citizenship
Originally Posted by Siren & Brian
(Post 6367062)
Only registered voters have to vote. So you can be a citizen and not register to vote so therefore you dont HAVE to vote.
.... I thought it was compulsory for citizens (except aborigines) to register? I think technically you don't have to register to vote for the SA parliament but as the federal registration is used for the state registration you have to anyway. |
Re: Implications of taking citizenship
Originally Posted by Gibbo
(Post 6357197)
The only thing you have to do isleave and enter Australia on that passport.
I was reading the government smart trav. website the other day (already posted on here) and it states that you will be held up whilst your identity is checked. It doesn't state that you will not be able to enter the country (which if you think about it, is a nonsense) nor does it say that you will be breaking the law. |
Re: Implications of taking citizenship
Originally Posted by MartinLuther
(Post 6368705)
Are you sure? :)
I thought it was compulsory for citizens (except aborigines) to register? Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders are under the same obligation to vote as any other Australian citizens. http://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/Compulsory_Voting.htm |
Re: Implications of taking citizenship
Originally Posted by DunRoaminTheUK
(Post 6367138)
If it's to fight the French then I'm all for it...:D
What if this happened (in Australia) and a person who had taken up citizenship then decided to renounce it (being a dual-national)? Would they be allowed to? Are you really saying that you would be willing to make your home in Australia, and yet not defend it if the need ever arose? |
Re: Implications of taking citizenship
How long, potentially, could it take from being eligible for citizenship to actually gaining citizenship?
Is it true that the citizenship ceremony can be up to one year from the date of passing the citizenship 'test', and that you are not granted citizenship until you have attended the ceremony? Can you turn up (to wherever) on the day you are eligible for citizenship and sit the test or is there a waiting period? Would you be free to leave Aus and then fly back to attend the ceremony, maybe up to a year later, and subsequently gain citizenship, assuming you had passed the 'test'? There seems to be a bit of confusion as to how it all works in reality and could have serious repercussions for those hoping to 'stick it out' for 2 (or 4) years Thanks |
Re: Implications of taking citizenship
Originally Posted by NKSK version 2
(Post 6368912)
I'm not even sure that this is true.
I was reading the government smart trav. website the other day (already posted on here) and it states that you will be held up whilst your identity is checked. It doesn't state that you will not be able to enter the country (which if you think about it, is a nonsense) nor does it say that you will be breaking the law. You may have problems boarding an Australia bound flight without the correct travel documents. |
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