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christinabell Sep 11th 2006 10:43 pm

Re: Gypsies ????????
 

Originally Posted by sassenach
Yes ,the black australian is a gypsy ,if white man hadnt subjegated him to the materialistic values and work based economy ,he would be wondering around the country only taking what he needed and owning nothing.A true gypsy as far as im concerned .

Very true, but if u asked the average Aussie what their idea of a gypsy was, I think the majority would say an old woman with hoop earrings, sitting in a caravan with a crystal ball lol.

Pollyana Sep 11th 2006 10:57 pm

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Originally Posted by phoenixinoz

Moderators commenting on a personal level stinks.


Why? :confused:

Do we cease to have opinions because we are Moderators? We are only human after all.

phoenixinoz Sep 11th 2006 11:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Pollyana
Why? :confused:

Do we cease to have opinions because we are Moderators? We are only human after all.

No you don't cease to have opinions, however you are supposed to rise above this behaviour, certainly not ridicule forum members.

ozzieeagle Sep 11th 2006 11:02 pm

Re: Gypsies ????????
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana
Why? :confused:

Do we cease to have opinions because we are Moderators? We are only human after all.


Nothing wrong with opinions by anyone, something was out of balance in that post of Crestas. Everyones entitled to a bad day though.

charlie brown Sep 11th 2006 11:07 pm

Re: Gypsies ????????
 

Originally Posted by sassenach
Yes ,the black australian is a gypsy ,if white man hadnt subjegated him to the materialistic values and work based economy ,he would be wondering around the country only taking what he needed and owning nothing.A true gypsy as far as im concerned .






you are the first person that i have actually met that knows what real gypsy is i am afraid that the word has been taken over by non true Romany's and trashed so it now means a bad person , ie like the word gay used to mean happy now means something completely different:D

sassenach Sep 11th 2006 11:14 pm

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Originally Posted by charlie brown
you are the first person that i have actually met that knows what real gypsy is i am afraid that the word has been taken over by non true Romany's and trashed so it now means a bad person , ie like the word gay used to mean happy now means something completely different:D

to true ,im afraid gypsys where ever they are have been marginalised ,my grandmothers family included and it was a shame to see a side of my family die out from a gypsy point of view .
These people that go around acting like dogs arnt gypsys in my book ,and thank you for the compliment charlie brown .

charlie brown Sep 11th 2006 11:26 pm

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Originally Posted by sassenach
to true ,im afraid gypsys where ever they are have been marginalised ,my grandmothers family included and it was a shame to see a side of my family die out from a gypsy point of view .
These people that go around acting like dogs arnt gypsys in my book ,and thank you for the compliment charlie brown .


they are not of Romany decent you would not catch one doing, what goes on in there name in this day and age, if you want the record straight these people that do these things now are just Irish tinkers and thieves that used to live in estates but got chucked out for what they did there

BadgeIsBack Sep 11th 2006 11:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Pollyana
Why? :confused:

Do we cease to have opinions because we are Moderators? We are only human after all.

Have to admit, Phoenix has a point. Opinions OK, but pisstakes, belittling (sic) probably not...goes with the job -bet it's hard sometimes. Do you mods get briefs or direction from the site owners? Never seen Cresta 'lose it' once. Slightly out of character - frayed patience or something.

I like this Luther bloke - real Dark horse and has a lot of original stuff to say, not the usual black/white stuff -comes at things from a new light.

Pollyanna can you change my username to Badge2 cheers mate.

Pollyana Sep 11th 2006 11:36 pm

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Originally Posted by thatsnotquiteright

Pollyanna can you change my username to Badge2 cheers mate.

Nope, I'm a mere Mod mate, you want to speak to someone responsible and big brotherish, try pm-ing Sue :D

NKSK version 2 Sep 11th 2006 11:53 pm

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Originally Posted by cresta57
I just find it frustrating when things are posted that can and do send out the wrong message to prospective migrants :( .


Hear hear!!

cresta57 Sep 12th 2006 12:11 am

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Originally Posted by phoenixinoz
No you don't cease to have opinions, however you are supposed to rise above this behaviour, certainly not ridicule forum members.

Nowhere did I "ridicule" (to use your word) Vash or any other poster, in fact I even said that it was a tongue in cheek reply. Vash takes great pleasure from his quotes, his figures, and his wide range of information. However, he is not always correct, indeed none of us are.

I feel that I have merely pointed out that on some occasions he has given wrong information. Nothing wrong with that. It has been done in a perfectly polite way. I'm sure Vash is astute enough to understand that, so I fail to see your problem. Given our past history maybe it's more a personal thing. I can think of a couple of suitable quotes "let he,or she that is without sin cast the first stone" or "Pot & Kettle" take your pick. At least I haven't gone back and deleted anything I've written.

If you have an issue about my posting my opinions, or indeed about any specific post, you are at liberty to report it, and the report will be seen by Sue and Paul - if I then find that I am banned, or barred from expressing my opinions because I'm a moderator, then I will respect that decision, however it may be a long wait until that happens.

You may have noticed that I am posting my opinions in a far more polite way than many recent members of this forum. Would you prefer that I descended to the gutter language used by others? THEN you could accuse me of posts and opinions that stink
If I have offended Vash in any way I apologise to him though I seriously doubt he's really that bothered :D

MartinLuther Sep 12th 2006 12:31 am

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Originally Posted by thatsnotquiteright
...I like this Luther bloke - real Dark horse and has a lot of original stuff to say, not the usual black/white stuff -comes at things from a new light...

Cheers Badge.

You're right that I don't tend to see things as black or white and I do like to test preconceived ideas. Unfortunately this seems to irritate some people from time to time (albeit unintentionally on my part).

:)

Grayling Sep 12th 2006 1:40 am

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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
Grayling.... until he seemed to realise that I was married to someone in actute psych.... and was willing to talk about it. Was forever posting crap that he read in newspapers about the Psychiatric services here, which he obviiously knows **** all about... apart from newspaper reports.


I know quite a lot about the Australian MH services..and the Uk services.

I have probably visited a lot more services in Australia than your wife has. I have also met with several very senior service managers in various capacities.

A few years ago I was invited to help 'sort out' (not my words) an australian community service but had the good sense to realise what I was up against.

The reason I do not post much on it now has absolutely nothing to do with you or your wife's opinion.....don't flatter yourself.

I have retired (apart from as a private therapist) so it does not really concern me now.

I will do so again if you want a chance to discuss it on here.

G

Sue Sep 12th 2006 1:41 am

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I don't think it was his intention to make personal remarks and he has apologised.

Moderators are volunteers and like all of us are only human and make mistakes. I'm sure we've all, on occasion, typed a comment on this forum and then later thought ..... whoops I wish I hadn't said that. Lets not blow things out of proportion.



Originally Posted by phoenixinoz
I don't always agree with Vash or his views nor Grayling for that matter however I respect them and our differences.

commenting on a board member in a personal way smacks of big brother and gang mentality, especially when performed by a moderator who should know better. Everyone has a right to an opinion, including moderators, however there is a line of responsibility which you don't cross.

Moderators commenting on a personal level stinks.

This does nothing but harm to a forum member and aim to lose them credibility.

It's called subjugation and it's disgusting:mad:

I thought I knew you better. I'm hoping this is a big misunderstanding.

Long term forum members, regardless as to their opinions, deserve more respect than this:(


Grayling Sep 12th 2006 1:43 am

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Quite simply vash was wrong and I pointed it out.

Instead of accepting that he had given inaccurate information he started his usual hair splitting.

G


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