Originally Posted by kporte (Post 8179271)

Loving your work.

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 8179283)

I've been told he's here all week.

Originally Posted by chrisfromusa (Post 8179274)

The former also leads to depression and anxiety, and in extreme cases, suicide. By the British track record, when things start to go south in your country, what is the British thing to do? It's either sit at home on election time sipping and munching away at the tea and crumpets daydreaming about sunny skies or packing up your bags and going on invading Australia and the U.S. (specifically Florida, Texas, California, and Arizona) instead of staying at home and getting the politicians to listen to you. But then again that's what happens when it becomes the norm for society to start making patriotism like it's an extreme form of denial. In our daily life when we are depressed do we engage in some activity to relieve our depression? Some of us do, but clinical studies show most depressed people lose interest in life. See my point?



Like my quote above, lack of patriotism in your country only leads your politicians from stepping all over you like doormats. And I'm tired of being told I'm ignorant, stupid, and uneducated because I have pride in my country. Nobody's perfect, but why not celebrate what's GOOD? What's wrong in seeing that each country does have some good? Us Americans and Australians can see the good in our countries, but as usual, the defeatist British are always trying to shove down our throats with a huge magnifying glass that we have to hate ourselves because they mistreat aboriginals or we discriminated against blacks. Can you see why I'm PO'd? Because I can sure see why Australians are when you bash their country, on purpose.

Originally Posted by kporte (Post 8179297)

The other side of the coin(and the pond!) There always is one. For me, I wish the Brits were more proud of their country and shouted it from the rooftops. It may not be the power it once was but it was instrumental in shaping the world we live in today and has brought countless benefits to the world through it's perseverance and ingenuity.
I will never knock the yanks or the Aussies for patriotism, it's to be lauded.
Bush was a tosser though.

Originally Posted by chrisfromusa (Post 8179299)

I agree Bush was an idiot, but what I did like about him, is that he didn't seek approval from people to do what he wanted. And that's what we need in a country's leadership. The UK leadership needs to stop kissing the EU's rump and get its backbone back. I'd love to see Britain rise again in this otherwise dark world

Originally Posted by kporte (Post 8179303)

Fair point. Bit like Thatcher, many detractors but boy did she lead!

Originally Posted by kporte (Post 8179297)

The other side of the coin(and the pond!) There always is one. For me, I wish the Brits were more proud of their country and shouted it from the rooftops. It may not be the power it once was but it was instrumental in shaping the world we live in today and has brought countless benefits to the world through it's perseverance and ingenuity.
I will never knock the yanks or the Aussies for patriotism, it's to be lauded.
Bush was a tosser though.

Originally Posted by chrisfromusa (Post 8179310)

I think that's what Britain needs right now, is a Thatcher-like PM. Just like we need a Ronald Reagan type president here, just without the warhammer please :D

Originally Posted by chrisfromusa (Post 8179310)

...without the warhammer please :D

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 8179313)

I don't understand why Brits don't big up the UK. I don't understand the supposed embarrassment. Why is it considered better to put the country down at all times? I have been asked more than once why Britons don't appreciate their country. I have no answer. I've always considered the country to be wonderful, with a few problems, but in the main they are very few and far between.

The only people you hear being proud of Britain are a small group of people like me, kporte etc and those Expats who realised that the country they migrated too just didn't match up to the UK in any way. Why didn't they realise that before they moved?

Originally Posted by kporte (Post 8179323)

I think as a Brit, you have more reason to be proud of your country than almost any other. America for example has much to be proud of and has achieved amazing things in almost every field.However if you take the last 300 years instead of the last 50, Britain stands head and shoulders above every nation on earth. This is not to belittle what other countries have achieved. It is still one of the most desirable countries in the world to live in and always will be.

Originally Posted by kporte (Post 8179315)

I think Adam Sandler would do a better job than Brown. Obama not cutting it for you?

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 8179313)

I don't understand why Brits don't big up the UK. I don't understand the supposed embarrassment. Why is it considered better to put the country down at all times? I have been asked more than once why Britons don't appreciate their country. I have no answer. I've always considered the country to be wonderful, with a few problems, but in the main they are very few and far between.

The only people you hear being proud of Britain are a small group of people like me, kporte etc and those Expats who realised that the country they migrated too just didn't match up to the UK in any way. Why didn't they realise that before they moved?

Originally Posted by WillBlack (Post 8179317)

How do you make a $buck ouda that?

Originally Posted by kporte (Post 8179323)

I think as a Brit, you have more reason to be proud of your country than almost any other. America for example has much to be proud of and has achieved amazing things in almost every field.However if you take the last 300 years instead of the last 50, Britain stands head and shoulders above every nation on earth. This is not to belittle what other countries have achieved. It is still one of the most desirable countries in the world to live in and always will be.

Originally Posted by WillBlack (Post 8179334)

The USA did it quicker:
Cumulative CO2 emissions by country.

Originally Posted by chrisfromusa (Post 8179337)

Don't trainwreck this topic, thanks

Originally Posted by chrisfromusa (Post 8179336)

Not at all. I used to like the guy, and I voted for him, but I regretted making that vote. I think he has about as much integrity as Brown and Blair. His popularity is down to under 50% now, so a majority of Americans think he's ineffective as president.



I don't know what it is but it seems like from what my gf tells me with all these magazines and TV shows about life in Florida, Spain, and Australia, it seems the fashionable thing to bash the UK and move abroad. Seriously, more than 1 million Brits live abroad and for a country of 60 million, that's a ridiculously high number. I don't even know if we have that many Americans living abroad. If you guys killed the A Place in the Sun crap and anything related to that, I think you'd have far less moving out. That's my reasoning behind your, not realizing the things they'd miss about the UK before moving out.



Wu chu sayin' son? :lol:



That's why I'm proud to be an American. I consider myself to live in a fruitful nation and having things that many people envy, like a warm country with lots of space for a nice house not attached to another. I've gotten into a boxing match on here before about patriotism over in the USA forum and I've been accused by all the Brits over there that I'm a thick insular American. No I think if I manage to visit other countries, that I'd learn to appreciate my own more. And according to a lot of testimony from people I've talked to over the years, both online and immigrants in my town, that I have good reason to be proud of being American. Life's too short to be always feel like you live in a bad country.