Re: England regain the ashes
 

Nope. England is the only TEST cricket side. I'm not talking about joke cricket. And it is the representative side for the whole of the UK.

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Correct!!!! :thumbup:

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Which is why the requirement to play for England is a British passport.

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yes, but that does not mean that they represent Scotland. The fact that a Scot can represent England and Wales is simply due to the UK passport.

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No, the name England is just a historical anomaly. "England" is the UK side. It will only be the "England" side when two conditions are met:

1. That England is actually defined somewhere as an actual real place. Technically there is no political definition, but for football etc they have a spefic area that is defined by FIFA.
2. When only people born in or naturalised to that place are available for selection.

Then it will be representative of England and England alone.

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Surely that's already the case?? ECB regulations state that to play for England, a player must be a British or Irish citizen, and have either been born in England or Wales, or have lived in England or Wales for the last four years.

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Irish citizens do not qualify for England. They aren't part of the UK. They have to naturalise.

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Isn't that what I just said?

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Not exactly. Or at least it doesn't read that way. Perhaps it's what you meant.

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Yes, but Scotland would have just as much right to request from the ICC that they become a fully fledged test playing nation (which they won't). What you are saying is that because there is a lack of a Scottish test team that they are therefore represented by England. That is incorrect. Scottish players (who play in the ODI Scotland team) would only qualify to play for England because of the anomaly of the UK passport/nationality.

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I said "ECB regulations state that to play for England, a player must be a British or Irish citizen, and have either been born in England or Wales, or have lived in England or Wales for the last four years."

Therefore, you can be Irish but must have lived in England or Wales before you can play for England. Pretty clear to me?



Regulation defining Qualification for England
In this Regulation words and expressions defined in
the Regulations Governing Qualification and
Registration of Cricketers for Competitive County
Cricket have the same meanings and "England and
Wales" means England, Wales, the Channel Islands
and the Isle of Man.
1 Subject to the overriding discretion of the ECB, acting
with the consent of the International Cricket Council, a
Cricketer will only be qualified to play for England in a
Test Match or in a One Day International Match if:
(a) he is either a British citizen or an Irish citizen; and
either (i) he was born within England and Wales;
or (ii) he has been resident in England and Wales for the
immediately preceding four consecutive years; and
(b) he has not during the immediately preceding four
consecutive years either
(i) played cricket for any Full Member Country except
England at under 17 level or above,
or (ii) played First Class Cricket in any Full Member
Country outside England and Wales, except as an
overseas cricketer under local rules similar to
Regulation 3 above or in any other circumtances
approved by the ECB; and
(c) he makes, whenever requested by the ECB, a
declaration in the form set out in the Annex to this
Regulation; and
(d) he is also qualified for England pursuant to the
provisions laid down from time to time by ICC
6
Regulations Governing the Qualification and Registration of Cricketers

governing qualification for Test Matches and One Day
International Matches.
2 In the case of a Cricketer seeking to become
qualified under 1(a)(ii) above he will (until he has
become qualified to play for England) only be treated
as having been resident within England and Wales for
the relevant consecutive period if he has spent a
minimum of 210 days in each year within England
and Wales (for which purpose year shall mean a year
ending 1st April).
3 For the purpose of 1(a)(iii) above, a Cricketer qualified
for an ICC Associate or Affiliate Member Country can
continue to represent that Country without adversely
affecting his eligibility or interrupting his qualification
period unless and until the Cricketer has played at
Under 19 level or above for a Full Member Country. If
the player represents an ICC Associate or Affiliate
Member Country after having represented England at
U19 level or above, he will not be eligible for selection
for a period of 4 years after his last appearance for
the ICC Associate or Affiliate Member Country.
4 The ECB may from time to time in its absolute
discretion decide that a Cricketer qualified to play for
England under these Regulations shall be ineligible for
selection for England for a specified period or generally
and may vary or cancel that decision at any time. This
discretion may be exercised when a cricketer has
acted in a manner which is fundamentally
inconsistent with the ECB's requirements, including,
without limitation, by playing for an England
representative side which is not approved by the ECB
or otherwise acting in wilful default of any of the
ECB's Regulations or decisions taken by i

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You are correct and this has been perfectly exemplified by the selection of Ed Joyce in 06

My original post was that Scotland is NOT represented by England at Test level. But you are correct that Scots can play for England

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Cool. I just didn't get Burbage's comment that England was a technical anomaly given that there are residency requirements to play for England.

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Well as far at anything else is concerned the name of the team is incorrect since at the very least it should be called England and Wales.

I see that I was actually incorrect in assuming that if you are British and born in Scotland that you have to do a residency in England or Wales. This appears to mean that both Irish citizens and Scottish-born British citizens have to serve four years in England (which they do anyway since they'd be in the county system for a while) while someone born in England to a British father but raised in Mongolia from the age of 1 month can walk into the English team.

I was of the understanding that the qualification for test and joke cricket were different.

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Yeh but thats the same for most teams isn't it? If you are born in England aren't you technically English by birth? Same as if you are born in Australia you are Australian by birth?

Doesn't really matter what nationality your parents are or where you grew up?

Also, Shane Warne's mum is German. Don Bradman's parents were from the UK, they are both Australian though.