Does anybody Actually Prefer Australia to the UK?
Apr 3rd 2004, 11:06 pm
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Jobs in UK
Credit Controller £8.00 ph
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When compared to a lot of OZ jobs advertised, there does not seem to be a major difference. I agree that wages in the UK are generally higher, but from what I have read, most people do not come here for the "good" wages, but for the lifestyle that they are expecting.
And that lifestyle can be achieved, many do achieve it.
It is not a silly dream to everyone.
Credit Controller £8.00 ph
Legal Credit Controller £16-20k py
Corporate Finance Executive £28-30k py
When compared to a lot of OZ jobs advertised, there does not seem to be a major difference. I agree that wages in the UK are generally higher, but from what I have read, most people do not come here for the "good" wages, but for the lifestyle that they are expecting.
And that lifestyle can be achieved, many do achieve it.
It is not a silly dream to everyone.
Apr 4th 2004, 9:10 am
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Well I'm beeen out here for 11 years, 7 in NZ and 4 in oz. My quality of life improved when I moved to NZ and it got even better when I move to Oz.
Don't get me wrong I'm British and proud of it, but I just got tired of the constant bad weather (rain, fog, overcast) most days whereas here it's the opposite (clear skies, hot) and the impossibilty of getting anywhere due to traffic jams. And I wasn't living in a big city. From what I've heard it's got even worse since I left.
Oz is not for everyone (to start you've got to like hot weather) but for me it's close to ideal (never been back to UK in 11 years and don't intend to).
The only down side for me was the poor jobs I got in Oz (had no problems in NZ which surprised me) but the pay was fine.
Few people will make a fortune out here working, but if you've got money to invest thats a different story.
Don't get me wrong I'm British and proud of it, but I just got tired of the constant bad weather (rain, fog, overcast) most days whereas here it's the opposite (clear skies, hot) and the impossibilty of getting anywhere due to traffic jams. And I wasn't living in a big city. From what I've heard it's got even worse since I left.
Oz is not for everyone (to start you've got to like hot weather) but for me it's close to ideal (never been back to UK in 11 years and don't intend to).
The only down side for me was the poor jobs I got in Oz (had no problems in NZ which surprised me) but the pay was fine.
Few people will make a fortune out here working, but if you've got money to invest thats a different story.
Apr 4th 2004, 9:34 am
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I can happily say I've been in Oz for 14+ years and I've never been back to the UK. Not even for a visit.
But as for thinking that Oz is the answer to all your problems, think again! It has different problems, but the difference is that they're problems in the sun!
Seriously though, there's a lot about this place that I like and very little that I dislike (in fact I would have to say that there's nothing I dislike about Australia, mainly because that is a gross sweeping generalisation about the nation. You can't blame the country because you can't get your favorite fish and chips, that's just irrational)
I love the people. They're a great bunch. And I'm pretty sure they like me back. Which is good. I love the heat. It's great! Although I'm really living in the wrong state for warmth (Victoria has its moments, but really, there are warmer states. Honestly, there are, trust me). I like the travel here, I'm a travel person. Getting used to the long journeys between places is a great thing. The beers ok too.
I love the food too, there's a lot of good clean and very tasty food in Australia. Better quality all around. Some of the best restaurants I've come across have been in Adelaide (really top notch nosh, take a trip around the Barossa. yum!)
uh, anyways. It's all good. Don't move back, ok?
kthxbye
But as for thinking that Oz is the answer to all your problems, think again! It has different problems, but the difference is that they're problems in the sun!
Seriously though, there's a lot about this place that I like and very little that I dislike (in fact I would have to say that there's nothing I dislike about Australia, mainly because that is a gross sweeping generalisation about the nation. You can't blame the country because you can't get your favorite fish and chips, that's just irrational)
I love the people. They're a great bunch. And I'm pretty sure they like me back. Which is good. I love the heat. It's great! Although I'm really living in the wrong state for warmth (Victoria has its moments, but really, there are warmer states. Honestly, there are, trust me). I like the travel here, I'm a travel person. Getting used to the long journeys between places is a great thing. The beers ok too.
I love the food too, there's a lot of good clean and very tasty food in Australia. Better quality all around. Some of the best restaurants I've come across have been in Adelaide (really top notch nosh, take a trip around the Barossa. yum!)
uh, anyways. It's all good. Don't move back, ok?
kthxbye
Apr 4th 2004, 9:43 am
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Originally posted by Centurix
I love the heat. It's great! Although I'm really living in the wrong state for warmth (Victoria has its moments, but really, there are warmer states.
I love the heat. It's great! Although I'm really living in the wrong state for warmth (Victoria has its moments, but really, there are warmer states.
I agree, and i'm even pretty happy with the Fish & Chips I can get here
But as i've said before, its not perfect, but no-where is !
And i'm not going back to the UK in a hurry again
Apr 4th 2004, 9:46 am
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heh, before I came to Melbourne I always heard the expression "four seasons in one day" and never understood what it meant until I have frost at day break, hot sun in the morning, rain in the early afternoon and then a blue sky day until sun set. After that I left the house with an umbrella, jumper and sun glasses!
Apr 4th 2004, 9:48 am
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Originally posted by dotty
I know we all sit here and amaze at how high house prices are in the UK, wouldn't be something to do with the wages would it.
I know we all sit here and amaze at how high house prices are in the UK, wouldn't be something to do with the wages would it.
All the people my age ie. late 20s were only able to buy homes in the boom of 2000- due to their parents reaching in to their pockets. Even though they were earning only 22-25K. And dual incomes. There was a time when a mortage was 3* your income, no more. In Australia and the UK.
Apr 4th 2004, 10:18 am
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Nationally house prices have risen by 64% during the past 10 years, while teachers' salaries have increased by just 43%. Regional differences mean that a teacher in London would now need to earn 85% more than the average teachers' pay of £26,400 in order for property in the capital to be as affordable as for the average teacher in Britain.
Average home in London costs seven times teacher's salary
A Newly Qualified Teacher (NQT) can expect to start on a scale that ranges from £18,105 to £26,460 (£21,522 to £30,000 in Inner London), whilst the starting salary for a teacher on Fast Track is a minimum of £18,984.
Public Sector Salaries: The Facts
Average home in London costs seven times teacher's salary
A Newly Qualified Teacher (NQT) can expect to start on a scale that ranges from £18,105 to £26,460 (£21,522 to £30,000 in Inner London), whilst the starting salary for a teacher on Fast Track is a minimum of £18,984.
Public Sector Salaries: The Facts
Apr 4th 2004, 11:10 am
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Originally posted by Megalania
Nationally house prices have risen by 64% during the past 10 years, while teachers' salaries have increased by just 43%.
Nationally house prices have risen by 64% during the past 10 years, while teachers' salaries have increased by just 43%.
Sydney 166.2%
Melbourne 153.9%
Brisbane 144.8%
Adelaide 99.0%
Perth 96.2%
Canberra 90.3%
information calculated from: www.navra.com.au/
Anyone know how OZ teachers rates have changed in the same 10 year period ?
Apr 4th 2004, 4:22 pm
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We went to the beach this weekend and got talking to an English couple. The have been out here a month. These are just some of his statements:
"It's not like our validation holiday" he said
"Once you realise what you left behind and how good we had it in the UK living here becomes a bit more of a reality" he said
I've found work but they just don't take my qualifications into account" he said
"Not sure I could work in the heat we had two weeks ago" (40c) he said
"Our daughter doesn't like it, misses her friends" he said
"Son loves it" (son pipes in..."but I like England better") he said
"The cost of living is higher than we thought it would be" he said
My wife seems to like it but I'am definitely not sure" he said
"We thought we would at least stay the two years to get our PR, even if we decided we didn't like it, but not sure I could stay that long" he said
Not much more to say about that really except that when I went to Singapore everyone just loved my daughter, she's got blonde hair AND blue eyes.
"It's not like our validation holiday" he said
"Once you realise what you left behind and how good we had it in the UK living here becomes a bit more of a reality" he said
I've found work but they just don't take my qualifications into account" he said
"Not sure I could work in the heat we had two weeks ago" (40c) he said
"Our daughter doesn't like it, misses her friends" he said
"Son loves it" (son pipes in..."but I like England better") he said
"The cost of living is higher than we thought it would be" he said
My wife seems to like it but I'am definitely not sure" he said
"We thought we would at least stay the two years to get our PR, even if we decided we didn't like it, but not sure I could stay that long" he said
Not much more to say about that really except that when I went to Singapore everyone just loved my daughter, she's got blonde hair AND blue eyes.
Apr 4th 2004, 6:44 pm
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Hi Janeyray!
The story you told about the couple you met on the beach was interesting.
What brought you to Perth Janeyray?
Are you going back to the UK for the same reasons as that other couple?
How long have you been in OZ?
The story you told about the couple you met on the beach was interesting.
What brought you to Perth Janeyray?
Are you going back to the UK for the same reasons as that other couple?
How long have you been in OZ?
Apr 4th 2004, 7:58 pm
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Adelaide brits
Cold you post the the website for Adelaide brits. We are hoping to to go to Adelaide. Husband has Family there. Would be interested to visit site Thanks MJH
Originally posted by podgypossum
Correct..i quite agree..but maybe you werent around when Dotty has made it personal on several occasions, with several other members, by making personal remarks about the poster because THEY disagree with her.
Dotty does very nicely thankyou over on the returning to UK forum, and Dotty would get a lot more respect from people if she din't attempt to trample over their dreams and tell them they are fools.
I have had personal experience of it myself and i DO live here!!! and DO know what i am talking about.
When i first joined this forum, i wanted to offer my help and experience in NZ, and my new experiences since coming to Adelaide. All i got (and a few others) was a string of belittling and sarcastic comments, stating we had no idea what we were talking about. Is that not condescending???
I tried to be kind, caring and friendly and that was scorned on too and not just by Dotty. I made a big mistake in questioning her highnesses views, and that started the ball rolling...now..i'm a thick skinned individual and wasn't scared off by it, but i know of many potential helpful and supportive new members, who took one look at the abuse and left!!!
Just because a person has been here a long time doesnt make them right.
You are soooo right that we should be here helping and supporting each other, but you can't do that when theres a constant ping pong match going on. We have a brilliant website over at Adelaide Brits. I don't think we have had a single bust up. Plenty of disagreements and differing opinions, but the difference is, we treat each other with respect. Not a lot of that goes on in here.
Correct..i quite agree..but maybe you werent around when Dotty has made it personal on several occasions, with several other members, by making personal remarks about the poster because THEY disagree with her.
Dotty does very nicely thankyou over on the returning to UK forum, and Dotty would get a lot more respect from people if she din't attempt to trample over their dreams and tell them they are fools.
I have had personal experience of it myself and i DO live here!!! and DO know what i am talking about.
When i first joined this forum, i wanted to offer my help and experience in NZ, and my new experiences since coming to Adelaide. All i got (and a few others) was a string of belittling and sarcastic comments, stating we had no idea what we were talking about. Is that not condescending???
I tried to be kind, caring and friendly and that was scorned on too and not just by Dotty. I made a big mistake in questioning her highnesses views, and that started the ball rolling...now..i'm a thick skinned individual and wasn't scared off by it, but i know of many potential helpful and supportive new members, who took one look at the abuse and left!!!
Just because a person has been here a long time doesnt make them right.
You are soooo right that we should be here helping and supporting each other, but you can't do that when theres a constant ping pong match going on. We have a brilliant website over at Adelaide Brits. I don't think we have had a single bust up. Plenty of disagreements and differing opinions, but the difference is, we treat each other with respect. Not a lot of that goes on in here.
Apr 5th 2004, 7:20 am
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Originally posted by VanishingDragon
Hi Janeyray!
The story you told about the couple you met on the beach was interesting.
What brought you to Perth Janeyray?
Are you going back to the UK for the same reasons as that other couple?
How long have you been in OZ?
Hi Janeyray!
The story you told about the couple you met on the beach was interesting.
What brought you to Perth Janeyray?
Are you going back to the UK for the same reasons as that other couple?
How long have you been in OZ?
Been in Oz 14 months. Came on an Aussie passport so it's not like we waited years to get here.
Going back due to missing family and friends, nothing good enough out here to replace them unfortunately
Obviously we didn't plan to go back when we made plans to come out here, it's just one of those things.
We've had an excellent time since we decided back in August that we were returning. It has made our time here a lot more fun and enjoyable knowing that we will be only here for a while rather than forever.
Good luck with your plans
Apr 5th 2004, 7:32 am
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Re: Adelaide brits
Originally posted by MJHuk22
Cold you post the the website for Adelaide brits. We are hoping to to go to Adelaide. Husband has Family there. Would be interested to visit site Thanks MJH
Cold you post the the website for Adelaide brits. We are hoping to to go to Adelaide. Husband has Family there. Would be interested to visit site Thanks MJH
Apr 5th 2004, 7:38 am
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Originally posted by Megalania
A Newly Qualified Teacher (NQT) can expect to start on a scale that ranges from £18,105 to £26,460 (£21,522 to £30,000 in Inner London), whilst the starting salary for a teacher on Fast Track is a minimum of £18,984.
Public Sector Salaries: The Facts
A Newly Qualified Teacher (NQT) can expect to start on a scale that ranges from £18,105 to £26,460 (£21,522 to £30,000 in Inner London), whilst the starting salary for a teacher on Fast Track is a minimum of £18,984.
Public Sector Salaries: The Facts
"The headmaster of a British school has taken the extraordinary step of flying to Australia to recruit teachers unsettled over pay and conditions.
He has so far snapped up 15 Australian teachers for eight high schools across the English Midlands.
Most can look forward to earning much more than in comparable posts in Australian schools, with classroom teachers in England earning up to £39,100 ($95,600). "
fromSMH sept 2003
They must teach the teachers here pretty well
Apr 5th 2004, 12:34 pm
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I much prefer life in Australia and the Australian way of life - simple as that!