DeadVim

Better to be honest about it, I'll give you that!

I may have uttered a few disparaging words about Legoland Estates and Sanctuary Cove myself ... 'may have' as in 'definitely'.

herrchook

In answer to the first question, I had a good think about it and looked up lots of definitions of snobbery and found the one the best matches my idea of what a snob is .... "A snob is someone who believes that some people are inherently inferior to him or her for any one of a variety of reasons, including real or supposed intellect, wealth, education, ancestry, taste, beauty, nationality, et cetera. Often, the form of snobbery reflects the snob's personal attributes. For example, a common snobbery of the affluent is the belief that wealth is either the cause or result of superiority, or both."

In answer to question 2. Absolutely not on both counts. It tends to start as a veiled attempt at describing their own desires for themselves and their families but they always slip up with the usual put downs on others' circumstances and choices. Hey, you don't even have to be in Melbourne to witness the snobbery I talk about. Just spend a little time on BE and it's all there in black and white.

And for that final comment. Sheltered? Are you serious???????

herrchook

I just don't get why you're proud of that??? Who cares where someone lives? Seriously! Let's just live and let live people and be thankful for what we each have.

Grayling

Where's the fun in that?

DeadVim

Lighten up, I'm not proud of it, I was honestly saying that in the past I have been guilty of such things.

If you read my previous recent posts on this subject (I know, nobody has time to read the context anymore...) then you will see I am advocating exactly the attitude of 'live and let live'.

northernbird

I will never forget that ding dong you had with that kiwi bloke about Melbourne. He was such an arse to you.

As for caring where someone lives, I don't. There are some newer suburbs here in Perth that are truly horrible from an aesthetic point of view. There is one area where you drive down a hill and all you see is a sea of tin roofs. Not a tree in sight, truly horrible. I don't judge the people who live there though as it is very much an each to their own scenario.

BadgeIsBack

I mean laugh at me because I don't experience these discussions (unless it is with an industrial designer - who does...!) and must therefore live in another world...

On this occasion, I am not concerned with hand-wringing :-) I tend to draw parallels with Australians I know, and choose to spend time with, that's all.

I also grew up with all that - only it was squarely behind tradition rather than money. I have not made it here at all - I just get to live how I want to live in a modern and varied city and meet like-minded people.

I know lots of normal people - infact I get on with lots of people partly because they like to live in a similar fashion.

Perhaps we can both denigrate the riff-raff...I see rif-raff every day - I must be so grounded..my concern is for people who have no choice.

What is interesting is that many people would prefer a system based on money- it almost smacks as a meritocracy! And others would say that the top public schools in the UK are overly elitist.

Smirk...

Margaret3

or each to what they can afford!

northernbird

I didn't mention cost Margaret. Some of those houses cost as much as mine does in an older suburb.

ExKiwilass

I agree with Grayling, at least about Melbourne.

Margaret3

mmm ... ture to a certain extent
I personally can live in any snobby suburb i choose, coz am too poor to buy

fish.01

Had a British friend who now lives in Brisbane telling me the other day how relieved she was to be away from all the judgemental people she was surrounded by in the uk where she lived. She said it has changed her as well and she finds it so much better. While I don't necessarily know whether it is better/worse here or there overall (does anyone really) I think where you come from/to, down to the suburb, and what you are like personally (eg grayling) could affect what you experience.

moneypenny20

Which is another reason why impressions of people living in certain suburbs is nonsense, You could be in what is deemed a 'very noice' suburb and so be considered wealthy/posh etc but actually you're could be a complete bogan who's renting.

Disclaimer: You doesn't mean you Margaret, honest!

BadgeIsBack

Thanks for that. To be honest, whether it is real snobbery, or reverse snobbery, then yes it exists. It's possible to note that some people are in some form 'limited' (and yet enjoy their company!). I do it, G does it, Dead Vim has admitted to it. I've spent my entire life noticing that a lot of people aren't as well 'bred' as others - whatever that means...that is a very honest and frank remark - I expect to be rewarded for it. I have also spent my entire adult life mixing with lots of people and learning from them.

And yes, snobbery is rife on BE. The only sort that bores me is when people are a tad materialistic without the education to deal with it.

(As for people letting slip - I have never seen that, seriously in Melbourne. Most people want the best for their kids and say things like they want their children to share those ideals with other like-minded individuals. I have never actually heard anyone say 'the place is full of ferals' unless of course they are talking so generally that we all could agree...see my point about like-minded individuals.)

Sheltered - am I serious? Half...M'Lud. ..if a large amount of people really are concerned about other people's display of wealth and status which is as far as I know a world-wide occurence then maybe, maybe they are. Or...they were luckier to mix with better people in the UK. I suspect one of the problems is that some people inadvertently end up in different crowds...which anyone could do moving half way around the world. It's nothing other than demographics.

To the board: let me make it clear -I expect to see displays of crass wealth and status. I'll let you all know next time I think I detect it - but it will probably be along the lines of 'I need to go and pick up my kids from school' and it is no secret where that school is...so it will not count.

A better idea would be to go to a large Westfield - I bet I'll see 'snobs' there. on sight.

Am I being reasonable - fair even? - or will I also be taken to task....please let me know..

I don't mind discussing social-economic history - I had the misfortune to study some subjects in my first year at Uni. A veritable can of worms and I beat myself up over it all the time.

Margaret3