Desperate in Perth
 

Looking for sponsorship for 457 visa for a Wall & floor Tiler, currently in Perth on a tourist visa myself husband and 2 teenage kids, have been let down by timewasters but refuse to give up, does anybody know of anyone who might be able to help, or any info that might help me and my desperate family to stay here and not have to return to the UK???:unsure:

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I hope you can sort something out but think that it is very unlikely that you will.

Good luck and I hope you get what you want.

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Why not go back and apply on skills!;)

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Hi,

We've just come back to the UK after being unable to secure sponsorship at Wall and Floor Tiling. We covered all of Perth and down south almost to Albany.

Sorry not to paint a great picture for you but we spent 4 months looking into it before making the decision to move back to the UK.

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If you were desperate to move here why didn't you do it via the proper channels and apply for the correct visa? A tourist visa is for tourists, not to stay. And even if you get sponsored, you won't be here permanently as a 457 is a temporary visa.

Not sure what you mean by time wasters either. If you apply for a job you need to have the correct visa to be able to accept the job.

You are best to go home, do the skills assessment and apply for the correct visa so you can come here permanently. And yes, I realise this sounds like a rant, but we spent a lot of time and money doing things the right way and it pisses me off to no extent when people try to slip in through the back door. Take a read of the immigration section for what I mean.

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Are you of any professional capacity? Do you work for government Immigration WA? probably not! Not that its any of your concern but we have been trying to do this for 4 years and due to certain time wasting people we were unable to complete our application. We were strongly advised by a Government Immigration official to come here on a tourist visa and find a sponsor to then apply for a 457 visa whilst here on holiday, we have also spent a lot of money which unlike yourself will think that it is money well spent if we are successful in our application. Australian immigration change the goal posts quite frequently which they did the day after we arrived in Oz but not ones to be defeated we carried on searching. We are aware that the 457 is not permanent but also on the government officials recommendation we shall then apply for a permanent visa using my own skills, as i say it is none of your concern but i also am pissed off by people who rant about things when they dont know the full situation, you obviously are also a migrant but you sound like somebody who doesn't like other people to have the same opportunities!!

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One more thing Dorothy, we have been advised that this is also as acceptable to do as was your way, it is certainly not seen as trying to slip in through the back door'!!!!

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Sorry to hear that, it must be really disappointing, its so frustrating when you really want something and are willing to do anything to get it, we will keep on trying but i really hope that we dont have to go back :fingerscrossed:

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Daisymoo, if you want professional opinions only then don't post your questions on an open forum on the internet.

Coming over on a tourist visa is most definitely not the recommended, acceptable or the normal thing to do, it is highly risky and at worst you could have been turned away at the immigration desk with a three year ban from the country the day you landed in Australia. A tourist visa is for tourists.

As to Dorothy or anybody else on the thread sonding like they don't want anyone else to have a chance, this is unfounded and unfair. The comments are simply that that you should go through the proper channels, just like we all did. And the proper channels do not include moving over on a tourist visa with two children in tow.

You might be better off going back to the UK and putting together a proper strategy.

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It is not up to Australian government officials to be giving immigration advice. They quite often get it wrong as it is not their job. If you want to know how to apply for a visa you should be speaking to a MARA registered migration agent who will be up to date with the laws surrounding immigration. The people you speak to at DIAC, either over the counter or on the phone are not.

As Bermudashorts says, if you don't want opinions you should perhaps not post your questions on an open internet forum. She was also correct that I am not adverse to others having the same opportunities we had. What I am opposed to is people who do not follow the legal way of doing things. Tourist visas are for tourists, not for families to move permanently to Australia on.

Almost forgot to ask, what did this friendly Australian Immigration official advise you to say on your landing card as your purpose of your trip? Did he or she advise you to tell the truth that you were migrating or lie and say you're here as tourists?

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Think you're over reacting a tad there.
If you're in the situation you are now, no point in blaming people who are offering good advice.

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If somebody says that they sound like they are ranting then i dont consider it advice, The person i refer to is a government official whose job it is to recruit people like ourselves for regional areas which is why we are now sitting in WA, we would never seek the services of a migration agent as we ourselves can do everything that they will do for us minus the costs, we have friends that used agents and did not need to, we have done nothing wrong just taken advice from somebody who is employed by the government, this is not somebody who sits behind a desk at the immigration offices in perth city where you take a ticket. If we thought that this was wrong we would never have done it in the first place. Also we are over the age of skills assessments but we do have the skills needed so we will carry on regardless, :fingerscrossed:

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I will just say i wish you luck.

I think you will have to be very lucky to get a 457 on your skills.

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A migration agent (a decent one anyway) would never have advised you to do what you have done. You would have been better off paying one for his opinion. If your circumstances are straightforward then an agent is unnecessary, but yours are not (hence the strategy you have taken). See an agent.

Good luck and I hope it works out for you.

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I say good on ya, try any avenue possible, because doing it the right way will only put you in a massive queue and a massive wiating time, and there are plenty of immigrants from other countries flouting the rules so why shouldn't someone from Blighty.

Good on you Daisymoo and I hope you get your 457 in time.

Unfortunately i'm not in that area otherwise I maybe would have been able to suggest some companies.

All the best.

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I think it is a shame you did not use an agent, because an agent might have advised you what a reckless path you were starting out on.

Debatable. Australian immigration could take a very dim view on what you have done. Tourist visas are for tourists. Do you have evidence of this advice you received, you might need it.

So you are over the age of 45 and do not qualify for skilled migration and would thus only ever get PR if your skills are such that you can prove an exceptional circumstances - is this the case? What are your occupations? Please don't say chef and hairdresser. :lol:

Re: Desperate in Perth
 

@ Daisymoo.

Just wondering if an employer had offered you sponsorship providing you worked for a 3 month trial before hand, what would you have done then?

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Good luck to you Daisymoo. We too spent a lot of time and money getting here on a permanent visa but I say get here any way you can, we all have different sets of circumstances and we all do what we need to do.

Ignore some of the unconstructive posts on here, that's not what you need but you have to take the good with the bad. I hope you make it but if you have to go home at least you know you will have explored every avenue.

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I have seen this so many times before... people coming out on tourist visas and applying for a 457. I have very rarely seen it work either, but in the two cases I know that did personally, the skills were very high demand skills, not trades like a tiler. Tiler tradies are everywhere and there's no reason to sponsor one, esp not in Perth where they're coming out of the woodwork literally everywhere due to the housing boom over there.

I think you knew what a huge risk you were taking when you first did this Daisy, and good on you for taking that risk, but I honestly would prepare yourselves for a swift return to the UK. It was a gamble that doesn't seem to have paid off for you.
If you have other skills (you don't say what they are) that might be in higher demand then that might be worth trying, but they'd have to be very good imo to even get looked at... but nothing to stop you trying.

How long have you got before your tourist visa runs out?

And do be careful.. immigration do read this board.

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Just what I was going to point out!:thumbup:

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well said

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go home as I expect eventualy they would deport you anyway just on the grounds of your attitude.

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Great attitude.....it is people like you with comments like those that make it so much harder for everyone else to do it properly.

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Dorothy,
I was advised by a MARA agent today to do exactly what daisee moo is doing.
I am hoping to move to Perth as a Mechanic of 19 years.
I came out of my trade 3 years ago which makes me ineligble to apply for skilled migraition and require a sponsor.

My agent says the best way I can get a sponsor is travel over on a tourist visa, Not to work but to find a company who would like to sponsor me.

Once I find a company that is prepared to sponsor me they will write to my agent who will then apply for a 457 visa.

Untill I get the go ahead and my 457 I am not able to do any work in Australia.

This is not a " getting in through the back door" system and will still take a lot of time and paper work and around £4000.

But it is the best way for people who require a sponsor to get there dream move to oz.

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Did your MARA agent also tell you that you would need to lie about your real intentions at immigration desk?

Did they also tell you that if you can drag a couple of teenagers along whilst you chase the dream all the better.

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Bermuda I dont know if you are being helpfull or not by that remark.

I have come on this site for some help in my bid to get to Australia just like you have and not to argue with people.

Is it ilegal what my MARA agent has told me Because I dont want to do anything that is ilegal. I just want to go through the correct channels like most good people who have settled in Australia.
Can I legally go to Australia on holiday and look for opportunaties.

And no he didnt tell me to drag any teenagers along.
It will just be me and my wife.

Please help me with this someone!!

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It seem unbelieveable that a "government official" or a "Mara registered agent" would advise anyone to arrive on a tourist visa with the intention of looking for work.

One only has to watch Channel 7's Border Security program to know that this approach will result in entry to Australia being denied, possibly for years.

BB

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Offski, you certainly would have to conceal your true motives at immigration desk. If you announce you are there to look for work and sponsorship you could well be going straight home. You would need to avoid carrying CVs, reference letters etc as they do search some luggage. As has been said on the thread, tourist visas are for tourists.

My teenager related comment was because you seemed to be saying there was nothing unusual about daisymoo taking this approach and I wondered did you also think it was a good idea to drag teenagers into what could be a very long, stressful and in all probability futile venture.

May I also suggest you look into employer sponsorship a bit more, being out of your trade for a few years could make that more difficult as well as skilled migration. Also do you need licencing in your trade? Having to organise that before you start work might put employers off.

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So does it mean that what he has told me is illegal then.

I know I cant travel to Aus and work on a tourist visa but does that stop me from visiting companies to see if they were interested in sponsoring me when or if i aquire a 457.

Please people I really need some good advice on this as I dont want to do anything ilegal or against emigration law that would stop me from getting into Aus.

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Have you read the rest of the thread? I thought we had answered this...

I guess if you arrived here on holiday and happened to bump into someone and discussed a job opportunity it is not illegal. But, as has been stated several times already, you cannot legitimately arrive in Australia on a tourist visa with the intention of looking for work. Truly, I am amazed that an agent has told you this is ok, if that got back to MARA I would imagine they would be in trouble.

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Thanks Bermuda for that.

I will certainly look more into it and speak with my agent again.
It sounds like I cant go on a tourist visa and look for work or sponsor.

The only other thing I wasnt sure about was that my agent was calling it an electronic visa ( I think ).
Is that something different from the normal tourist visa.

As far as I am aware the Agent is a good and trustworthy agent and hope he is giving me good advice.

My trade doesnt need a license or anything.
I have 19 years experience and well trained in my profession but changed my job 3 years ago but can still work under my trade of mechanic.

It is just I cant apply for a skilled or a perm visa because I havent worked 12 months in the last 24 in the trade and require someone to sponsor me so I can get a 457.

Thanks again.

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Do any of you people ever watch Border Security (Nothing to Declare), anytime someone is caught with Certificates & Qualifications or any sort of paperwork on their person while on a tourist visa by customs they are given the 3rd degree.

This often results in cancellation of their tourist visa, have yet to see anyone claiming to be looking for sponsorship as an excuse.

Your agent probably told you do go ahead and look for sponsorship

a) Its your neck not his
b) He knows you have no hope of finding a sponsor unless you do so, and on the very slight off chance you do find something he will want your business.

In the eyes of DIAC the difference between looking for work and actually working is that you just haven't been lucky yet.

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I have watched border security a few times but never seen anyone getting pulled up for looking for work.

You are all correct in saying that I can not travel to Auz on a tourist visa and look for work or for a sponsor.

He certainly didnt warn me that it was my neck and not his.

I may have picked him up wrong on what kind of visa I should go on because there is also a Buisness visa that allows me to travel to oz for 90 days in order to have meetings with companies.

I certainly wont be travelling on a tourist visa if I am doing something ilegal and putting my application in jepardy.

Thanks for all the input on this matter I have taking all points on board and will speak with my agent again.

Best wishes.
Gordon

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are you president of the local neighbourhood watch

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The other point worth condsidering is that on the off chance you were of interest to an employer, unless they have sponsored before and understand the process (and the costs) it would usually take longer than the time left on your visa to process the 457.

Just another note - is the requirement for a 175/176 only 12 months out of 24 months work experience? If it is (and not 3 years on the last 4 - which I've seen quoted elsewhere) why don't you go back and be a mechanic for a year/

Then you can apply for a Perm Visa and there's no risks etc.

Just my 2cents worth!

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Good points well made tking and I did consider going back into my trade for 12 months and then apply for perm visa but my only problem with that is a serious lack of work in my area. I live in the SW of Scotland and to get back into my trade would prob consist of me travelling 80-90 miles to the Glasgow area. That’s why I made the decision to go from the mechanical trade to BT engineer.

A heavy goods mechanic is a trade that is still high up in the list of skilled trades required in Australia and especially WA and I have been told by many people inc other emigration agencies that most companies would be glad of workers of my experience.
The company only has to offer a sponsor in writing to my agent and he does all the paperwork not the company, I would also be grateful to help out with any costs occurred to the company.

But as I said earlier I certainly wont be travelling out on a tourist visa trying to look for work or a sponsor and will have to speak to him again in the morning to see what kind of visa he was referring to as I feel it is a good reputable company and hope he has not given me bad advice.
Probe won’t be the first time.

Thanks again.

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Is that a genuine question? Seems a little off topic if so.

If you are being funny then why is it that of all the responses on the thread, you feel the need to be sarcastic about one that offers advice on the legitimate way to do things? Seriosuly, why not have a go at somebody who encourages others to commit visa fraud and risk being banend from Australia.

I post a lot on immigraiton questions and I also choose not to offer advice on how I think somebody could break and bend the rules. This is my choice and I don't expect to be criticised for it.

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Week just gone here, a group of Malaysian 'tourists' landed, were pulled over, the Immi officials went through their bags, found a going away card that mentioned fruit picking, looked through the lady's USB stick in great detail and found documents on how to become a fruit picker and some other info. That was enough to get them all turned round, visas cancelled back to Malaysia and no return for years.......

Been a few recently.........

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What a load of bullshit. There are over 500 000 illegals in this country to say that everyone who goes in on a tourist visa gets caught is just garbage.

People on this forum should get off there high horse. Many of you came into Australia when almost anyone could of got in. obviously now the boom boat is over and the government has tightened immigration up especially for many of the professions that Brits are coming out here on.

I'm sure many people previously have come out here and secured work on a tourist visa. It's the only way in for many people wanting a work permit for the states so why should Australia be any different.

I suspect that many people on this forum would struggle to get in to Australia under the new immigration regulations.

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Plenty of examples on Border Sercuity, seems to be that even being currently unemployed is enough grounds to be refused entry.