Crime in Oz
Jun 21st 2003 | 7:30 pm
#1
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Living the dream downunde
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From: MeadowBank, Sydney, Aussie Land of Sea,Sun and Seashells
Crime in Oz
Hmmmm...some very interesting links
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902
and then look at the folllowing and compare against the U.K.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/...5&id=OCE&id=uk
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902
and then look at the folllowing and compare against the U.K.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/...5&id=OCE&id=uk
Jun 21st 2003 | 7:46 pm
#2
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From: Lancs, UK
It doesn't look as bad if you look at the top 10 on the second graph. I wouldn't particularly want to go leaving my car in the US looking at that stat.
However this is a bit like looking at stats for anything. If I looked at the statistic in this country for Motorway deaths, would that put me off using the Motorways - no - it just makes me more aware of how careful you have to be.
Crime wherever it is not a nice experience, you just have to try and do as much as you can to avoid it.
However this is a bit like looking at stats for anything. If I looked at the statistic in this country for Motorway deaths, would that put me off using the Motorways - no - it just makes me more aware of how careful you have to be.
Crime wherever it is not a nice experience, you just have to try and do as much as you can to avoid it.
Jun 21st 2003 | 8:24 pm
#3
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From: Alloha snack bar
Crime in Oz
I lived in Sydney in the mid 90's & in my experience that crime was higher there than in the UK, especially violent crime.
Jun 21st 2003 | 8:39 pm
#4
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Joined: May 2003
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From: Gold Coast Qld.
Crime wherever it is not a nice experience, you just have to try and do as much as you can to avoid it. [/QUOTE]
Whether you are carrying out a burglary or a mugging and are in someway hurt by your victim, you are allowed under our system, to claim compensation for loss of future earnings. Sends out the right message to these people doesn't it.
As far as I'm concerned, if someone broke into my house they just lost all their rights, I would make sure it was me that was attacked first, look I've got this little bruise to prove it!!
Slater
Whether you are carrying out a burglary or a mugging and are in someway hurt by your victim, you are allowed under our system, to claim compensation for loss of future earnings. Sends out the right message to these people doesn't it.
As far as I'm concerned, if someone broke into my house they just lost all their rights, I would make sure it was me that was attacked first, look I've got this little bruise to prove it!!
Slater
Jun 21st 2003 | 8:48 pm
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Crime in Oz
From this morning's new24.co.za:
Backpacker tortured, raped
22/06/2003 08:41 - (SA)
Sydney - Police charged three men with attempted murder and rape Sunday after a group of five allegedly lured a New Zealand backpacker into an abandoned warehouse and tortured him for 16 hours.
The 19-year-old tourist, who arrived in Australia on Thursday, was admitted to the Royal Brisbane Hospital for treatment for a broken nose, cheek and fingers, as well as cuts and burns, police said.
Five men had allegedly lured him into an abandoned warehouse in Brisbane, in northern Queensland state, where they tied him to a chair, raped, beat and burned him until he revealed his bank account details.
Police said they found the New Zealander in a room at the warehouse early on Saturday following a tip-off from a member of the public.
Three of the suspects were found sleeping in the same room.
Police charged the men, one aged 28 and two aged 26, with attempted murder, torture, rape, assault occasioning bodily harm, armed robbery and burglary.
They are searching for two other suspects.
Tortured
Police said the backpacker had met the men in a park and followed them to the warehouse on the outskirts of Brisbane where he was held against his will for 16 hours and tortured.
"He was tied to a chair and he was fairly viciously assaulted throughout the course of the night," said detective inspector Ben Hanbidge.
"At this stage what we can work out is that these people were trying to extract some information from him.
"He just turned up to this park and met these people, they befriended him and invited him back to this place here and unbeknownst to him they had obviously had other intentions and ended up holding him here against his will." A Queensland police spokesperson said the victim was in a satisfactory condition and had been able to provide descriptions of his attackers to police.
"He's in good spirits and has indicated to us that he will continue on with his working holiday," she told AFP.
"He will go north to do fruit picking or labouring. He's a very a brave man."
The three men will appear in court Monday morning. - Sapa-AFP
Backpacker tortured, raped
22/06/2003 08:41 - (SA)
Sydney - Police charged three men with attempted murder and rape Sunday after a group of five allegedly lured a New Zealand backpacker into an abandoned warehouse and tortured him for 16 hours.
The 19-year-old tourist, who arrived in Australia on Thursday, was admitted to the Royal Brisbane Hospital for treatment for a broken nose, cheek and fingers, as well as cuts and burns, police said.
Five men had allegedly lured him into an abandoned warehouse in Brisbane, in northern Queensland state, where they tied him to a chair, raped, beat and burned him until he revealed his bank account details.
Police said they found the New Zealander in a room at the warehouse early on Saturday following a tip-off from a member of the public.
Three of the suspects were found sleeping in the same room.
Police charged the men, one aged 28 and two aged 26, with attempted murder, torture, rape, assault occasioning bodily harm, armed robbery and burglary.
They are searching for two other suspects.
Tortured
Police said the backpacker had met the men in a park and followed them to the warehouse on the outskirts of Brisbane where he was held against his will for 16 hours and tortured.
"He was tied to a chair and he was fairly viciously assaulted throughout the course of the night," said detective inspector Ben Hanbidge.
"At this stage what we can work out is that these people were trying to extract some information from him.
"He just turned up to this park and met these people, they befriended him and invited him back to this place here and unbeknownst to him they had obviously had other intentions and ended up holding him here against his will." A Queensland police spokesperson said the victim was in a satisfactory condition and had been able to provide descriptions of his attackers to police.
"He's in good spirits and has indicated to us that he will continue on with his working holiday," she told AFP.
"He will go north to do fruit picking or labouring. He's a very a brave man."
The three men will appear in court Monday morning. - Sapa-AFP
Jun 21st 2003 | 9:16 pm
#6
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From: Adelaide
Re: Crime in Oz
Originally posted by Amazulu
From this morning's new24.co.za:
Backpacker tortured, raped
22/06/2003 08:41 - (SA)
From this morning's new24.co.za:
Backpacker tortured, raped
22/06/2003 08:41 - (SA)
If I could be bothered I am sure I could cut and paste horror stories from the UK, your home country of South Africa or indeed anywhere in the world.
I thought we had established, long ago, that the majority on this forum are intelligent people who have researched the move to Australia and are under no illussions regarding crime.
Please stop using this forum as a place to air your predjudice.
Useful information is onething, blatent scaremongering is another
Bill
Last edited by Sindy; Jun 21st 2003 at 9:23 pm.
Jun 21st 2003 | 10:03 pm
#7
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When we were first thinking of moving, I had a little panic at some news stories that suggested a higher crime level in Oz than we were used to (in the UK). I did a little research on the web (looking at statistics, not news stories).
Here's the short version: crime in Oz, UK and USA is not all that much different. Fewer burglaries in the US, because potential burglars know they are likley to get shot -- but many more gun crimes including murder. More street robbery in recent years, though most of the increase is mobile phone snatching. And so on.
We decided we'd take a close look at areas we wanted to live, and make sure security was up to standard, especially physical security (it's better to keep 'em out in the first place than to have a very reliable siren after they've left.) In short, it wasn't enough to put us off.
HTH
Jeremy
Here's the short version: crime in Oz, UK and USA is not all that much different. Fewer burglaries in the US, because potential burglars know they are likley to get shot -- but many more gun crimes including murder. More street robbery in recent years, though most of the increase is mobile phone snatching. And so on.
We decided we'd take a close look at areas we wanted to live, and make sure security was up to standard, especially physical security (it's better to keep 'em out in the first place than to have a very reliable siren after they've left.) In short, it wasn't enough to put us off.
HTH
Jeremy
Jun 22nd 2003 | 12:07 am
#8
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From: MeadowBank, Sydney, Aussie Land of Sea,Sun and Seashells
It depends where you settle in Australia.
I dont think Australia is that bad for crime, I lived in Kings Cross in Sydney for a few months and didnt have any trouble.
You find the odd drunk walking the streets, but hey I've visited Australia about 4 times and didnt belive the stats when I saw them.
I think we are more aware of crime in the U.K. than Australia people do. I could easy leave my car in the city where I live knowing that when I came back the next day it would be broken into.
I dont think Australia is that bad for crime, I lived in Kings Cross in Sydney for a few months and didnt have any trouble.
You find the odd drunk walking the streets, but hey I've visited Australia about 4 times and didnt belive the stats when I saw them.
I think we are more aware of crime in the U.K. than Australia people do. I could easy leave my car in the city where I live knowing that when I came back the next day it would be broken into.
Jun 22nd 2003 | 11:12 am
#9
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Crime in Oz
I thought we had established, long ago, that the majority on this forum are intelligent people who have researched the move to Australia and are under no illussions regarding crime.
I disagree. I'd say that a lot of poms on this forum think they are leaving "crime ridden" UK for a crime free paradise. I was just trying to illustrate that crime is worse (in my opinion) in Australia. There are a lot of reasons for emigrating from the UK to Oz (I know because I'm doing it too), but the fear of crime should not be one of them. People who believe this are kidding themselves & need to catch a wake up.
I disagree. I'd say that a lot of poms on this forum think they are leaving "crime ridden" UK for a crime free paradise. I was just trying to illustrate that crime is worse (in my opinion) in Australia. There are a lot of reasons for emigrating from the UK to Oz (I know because I'm doing it too), but the fear of crime should not be one of them. People who believe this are kidding themselves & need to catch a wake up.
Jun 23rd 2003 | 6:39 am
#10
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Some information Igot from some guy in Australia who deals with Crime Stats.
The Australian figures are due to Australia's very high (80%+) degree of city living. Britain has a few more problems - including endemic unemployment in some areas
The Australian figures are due to Australia's very high (80%+) degree of city living. Britain has a few more problems - including endemic unemployment in some areas
