3500 people killed on Uk roads each year - population 60m

1700 killed on Australian roads - population 20m

These figures are fact as well as stats.

I'm quoting relative, not absolute differences.

I haven't got the latest figures in front of me from The Economist, but average Oz unemployment is ~6%. Average UK unemployment is ~5%. So, calculation is ~(6-5)*100/5 = ~20% higher than UK.

In other words, on average, you have a ~20% higher chance of being unemployed in Oz than UK.

Of course, it varies by location, skills, demand etc.

Britain has the worlds worst serial killer , Dr Shipman who killed
over 100 people. According to Mike Satanton's statistics crime is worse in Australia but at least if you go to the doctor with case of the Flu you are not going to be given a lethal injection.

Ohhhh i wouldnt be so sure about that Wombat Apparently joondalup hospital seems to make alot of mistakes

You can talk about rose-tinted glasses, but I don't know of anyone here who's trawling the internet to find statistics which favour Oz (i.e. as a counterpoint to the stuff you keep posting).

However, in answer to your question, an article in the Guardian late last year reported a survey published in the British Medical Journal showing the NHS ranked 18th out of 19 countries for quality of care. Australia ranked third, behind Sweden and Norway. You can find it here.

Also, regarding poverty, according to UNICEF in Australia one child in eight is living in poverty, while in the UK the figure is one in five. If you've got Acrobat Reader you can check out this PDF file.

Mozzie, you should start a new thread with a cut and paste from that article. It looks pretty relevant.

But HP, these numbers are next to meaningless. The only true comparison would be based on deaths per car-mile (or car-km).

In other words, it depends the level of car ownership in each country and the amount of travelling done by each car per year.

Using your logic, the Chinese are probably the best drivers in world as they have an enormous population and very few cars.

BTW, this is in no way a defence of Aussie drivers - I agree that they are absolute shockers.

Do you think so ABC? I really don't want to start playing Mike's game (in reverse). And I think the NHS's problems have been pretty well documented haven't they?

How on earth would any of us know an aussie doc would not be capable of the same type of crime or that its not going on right now. Believe it or not this country has all sorts of lunatics out there too!! There is a case of a nurse murdering several patients, was in the media just a few months ago.

Would you believe 23 people have been shot down in gangland killings in Melbourne, probably not but it happened. Would you believe one guy killed at least 10 backpackers, happened too. Would you believe Brisbane and Perth are both looking for Serial killers of women. Would you believe a large 13 year old boy was snatched off the side of the road just before Xmas and has never been found. You could go on for pages..............

Aus is OK, but you have every chance of being a victim of the same crimes as anywhere else I can think of including the UK. Thinking otherwise is very much wishful thinking. Been here since 2000 and have been burgled and had our car broken into plus a sicko approach our then 6 year old son. Our bank has had 2 armed robberies in that time too.

I dont dislike OZ because of it, but I certainly would not come here under any illusions. Its just like anywhere else.

Hi Maria,

I wasn't suggesting you were stupid! I was just offering an explanation as to why Mike started this thread. Taken out of context, it looks like he's trolling, but I know he responded to your other post and then started this thread.

The bit of Oz where I live is lovely, but there are are other bits which aren't. And its all relative. One man's paradise is another man's (or woman's ) hell.

Jane

Not my statistics, but from research institute in Holland.

Following your logic, if you go to Tasmania you may die of sudden lead poisoning...

4 murders? Needles & glue stuff left around?? Sorry Jo, but I have to disagree with you - thats not a good suburb. . If you think it is, then :scared: you must have lived in some pretty dodgy areas before :scared: :scared: :scared:

Meaningless? I don't think so.

The statistic shows that, on average, you have more chance of being killed in a road accident in Oz than UK - it does not refer to driver competence.

Using "[per person] per mile" comparisons are far more relevant when you are comparing different forms of transport (eg by car and by plane). It is much less relevant when comparing 2 countries, using the same mode of transport.

For example, it may be that the "deaths per car-mile" are the same in both countries. However, you are more likely to travel greater distances in Oz. The end result is the probability of being killed is higher in Oz than UK.

OK so I dont live in Aus so I respect the views of the people that do, but I am entitled to my opinion so here it is.

While I was in Perth I drove over 1000 miles in my rental car. Visited 20+ suburbs North and South of the river and had a general good sniff around.
Saw no grafitti, no used needles or glue stuff. Experienced no bad driving, in fact driving over there was a real pleasure. (apart from the traffic lights)
Im sure all these nasty things exist, I just didn't see them, also all the people that I spoke to over there had not seen them either. (I asked lots of questions about that sort of thing)
I reckon there's a lot of scaremongering coming from certain people who just enjoy a wind-up.
But keep it up, it makes a good read

I almost forgot....nice post Mozzie