Couple of home truths about Australia ...
Nov 14th 2008, 6:04 am
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As far as I recall, nobody has said that Australia is going to be just like China, so I'm not quite sure why you keep going on about it. What *has* been said is that measures like the ISP level filter are a step in that direction. And you know what, there's no arguing the fact on that level. The great firewall of China is exactly the same 'solution' as the Australian government want to implement - namely an ISP level block on websites contained on both a blacklist and found heuristically. However you want to paint it - that's censorship on a national level - and the only other countries that do that are North Korea, Burma and China.
Looks like its not going to be taken lying down.
Nov 14th 2008, 7:16 am
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The latest on the subject - http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...0-3102,00.html
Looks like its not going to be taken lying down.
Looks like its not going to be taken lying down.
Nov 14th 2008, 10:41 am
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The latest on the subject - http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...0-3102,00.html
Looks like its not going to be taken lying down.
Looks like its not going to be taken lying down.
I'm guessing the courier mail is not a class newspaper?
Some of the comments are hilarious.
"Why is some faceless bureaucrat to be given the same powers to censor our internet access as a prison screw has over the perversions of an uncontrollable pedophile? The mechanics are different but that is the ultimate result of the Federal Government's ill-considered and ill-liberal plan to filter the internet." Terry Sweetman in Friday's Courier-Mail.
Originally Posted by enraged Paul of Carina
''This is a communist style of imposition and the dopes that voted Labor into power should wake up to themselves!''
Nov 14th 2008, 12:04 pm
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Unfortunately its Brisbane's main daily paper
Always guaranteed to provide a laugh - Courier Mail comments are at often hilarious in their stupidity. Most of the contributors appear not to have a brain cell to share between them.
Nov 14th 2008, 10:55 pm
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Is this the reason why they want Internet Censorship?
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&ei=2AseSba-JafcqAOF1NHGBw&q=Loose+Change+2nd+Edition+&hl=en
If not for a few brave journalists we would never be given subjective evidence on major world issues. Such as issues they take our soldiers to war.
Since the media is controlled and owned by a room full of people. It's possible to silence debate, ridicule dissent and slowly take our freedoms from us.
So is this an example, of a real reason, on why they want to censor the internet.
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&ei=2AseSba-JafcqAOF1NHGBw&q=Loose+Change+2nd+Edition+&hl=en
If not for a few brave journalists we would never be given subjective evidence on major world issues. Such as issues they take our soldiers to war.
Since the media is controlled and owned by a room full of people. It's possible to silence debate, ridicule dissent and slowly take our freedoms from us.
So is this an example, of a real reason, on why they want to censor the internet.
Nov 16th 2008, 11:34 pm
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Re: Couple of home truths about Australia ...
Perhaps you should allow your government to place monitoring CCTV in each room of your house to provide ultimate protection. Lets hope you don't break any current laws, or any that are yet to be implemented.
Your willingness to limit your own rights and independence in favour of government is both astounding and depressing
Your willingness to limit your own rights and independence in favour of government is both astounding and depressing
I hope and pray that none of you or your children are ever caught on camera being mugged, raped gunned down or abducted.
I wonder how Jamie Bulger's family feel about CCTV, or Madeline McCanns?
I joined this debate thinking it might be interesting, but actually it has become an opportunity for left wing ranting.
I haven't yet been convinced that CCTV is a menace in society, it is why we need CCTV that is the menace as IMO.
I'll leave you to it, Good luck to all of you.
I wonder how Jamie Bulger's family feel about CCTV, or Madeline McCanns?
I joined this debate thinking it might be interesting, but actually it has become an opportunity for left wing ranting.
I haven't yet been convinced that CCTV is a menace in society, it is why we need CCTV that is the menace as IMO.
I'll leave you to it, Good luck to all of you.
Nov 17th 2008, 1:18 am
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Re: Couple of home truths about Australia ...
Why ban violent video games, but not violent films.
Nov 17th 2008, 2:17 am
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Nov 17th 2008, 10:25 am
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Yea, the UK's heading down the same road. In some regards (particularly surveilance of its citizens) it's lightyears ahead of any other country. In the last 20 years there has been a systematic erosion of civil liberties in the name of 'protecting' us. I think that enough is enough.
I now have it chained to my leg to prevent its theft by a sneaky light fingered terrorist - to smart to buy and register his own mobile!
BUT if it does get nicked, maybe all the CCTV will help prove it was not me!
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Nov 17th 2008, 10:45 am
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OK, I know this is not in the same area -just purchased a mobile and found I need either a driving licence or passport to register it. On asking why...."In case you use it to blow up an embassy".
I now have it chained to my leg to prevent its theft by a sneaky light fingered terrorist - to smart to buy and register his own mobile!
BUT if it does get nicked, maybe all the CCTV will help prove it was not me!
I now have it chained to my leg to prevent its theft by a sneaky light fingered terrorist - to smart to buy and register his own mobile!
BUT if it does get nicked, maybe all the CCTV will help prove it was not me!
Nov 17th 2008, 7:25 pm
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Nov 17th 2008, 8:15 pm
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Just playing devil's advocate again.
Some people who see ads don't buy the product. Some people buy a product without seeing the ad. Some people buy a product after seeing the ad.
Some people who watch porn don't get horny (usually women). Some people get horny without watching porn (usually men ). Some people get horny after watching porn.
So, even though some people don't get violent after watching violent movies or playing violent games, and some people get violent without watching violent movies or playing violent games; is it possible that some people may get violent after watching violent movies or playing violent games?
Some people who see ads don't buy the product. Some people buy a product without seeing the ad. Some people buy a product after seeing the ad.
Some people who watch porn don't get horny (usually women
). Some people get horny without watching porn (usually men ). Some people get horny after watching porn.So, even though some people don't get violent after watching violent movies or playing violent games, and some people get violent without watching violent movies or playing violent games; is it possible that some people may get violent after watching violent movies or playing violent games?
Nov 17th 2008, 9:08 pm
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Re: Couple of home truths about Australia ...
3) Australia is one of the most censored 'Western' style democracies on the planet - and for that matter Queensland is far and away the most censorious state in Australia (QLD banned twice as many books and films as any other state). Legislation currently working its way through government will bring full scale censorship to the Internet placing Australia squarely in the immediate company of North Korea, Burma and China. Australia loves banning video games such as Grand Theft Auto IV.
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The concept of free speech and individual rights here is non-existant. Love this place too-hate this aspect. If it gets worse I am out.
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Nov 17th 2008, 9:18 pm
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Good post! Australia is not just the most censored 'western' style democracy, it is more censored than any boderline 'western' nation such as say Russia or Brazil, it is the only vaguely western nation to ban the sale of XXX-rated non-violent erotica. It seems a glitch in this society, and it seems impossible to remedy. Somehow the political dynamic here, totally out of character in terms of the wider society, seems to attract censorship nuts.
The concept of free speech and individual rights here is non-existant. Love this place too-hate this aspect. If it gets worse I am out.
The concept of free speech and individual rights here is non-existant. Love this place too-hate this aspect. If it gets worse I am out.