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Jul 18th 2003, 9:11 pm
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cant beat the old pot of soup on top of the wood stove ,in the winter, we have 1/2acre of wood lot, [blue gum fast growing} we supply all our own wood , $180tonne here in adelaide at the moment..
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
Wood burners eat trees is that not a greenie issue . love the Winter air in Perth the smell of carbon and streaming eyes, makes me feel refreshed after I stop coffing
Wood burners eat trees is that not a greenie issue . love the Winter air in Perth the smell of carbon and streaming eyes, makes me feel refreshed after I stop coffing
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Jul 20th 2003, 11:45 am
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Originally posted by mr mover
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cant beat the old pot of soup on top of the wood stove ,in the winter, we have 1/2acre of wood lot, [blue gum fast growing} we supply all our own wood , $180tonne here in adelaide at the moment.. MM
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cant beat the old pot of soup on top of the wood stove ,in the winter, we have 1/2acre of wood lot, [blue gum fast growing} we supply all our own wood , $180tonne here in adelaide at the moment..
MM
Not to be had in WA and wood prices are more expensive , its a backward way to heat an home , but a great way to polute the air.
Jul 20th 2003, 11:47 am
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Originally posted by kaleb777
You're living in fantasy land. I'm talking about now, not some possible future. Get real, if you know anything about the energy a city the size of Perth uses you will know it is not feasable or practical to power it with wave or wind power. If it was we'd be doing it already. You're thinking about what might be and constantly whinging about things as they are without ever making an effort to change things. You must be British. I'm talking about the power you use right now. Your electric power doesn't come from wind, waves or even the Snowy scheme. You use power generated by coal burning power plants outside Perth. For the amount of energy used you generate more pollution that is worse for the environment but you concentrate on people with wood heaters because the pollution you help create is out of sight out of mind.
You're complaining about a bit of wood smoke but back in Britain they discharge radioactive coolant into the Irish Sea. I suppose that too was out of sight and out of mind for you.
You're living in fantasy land. I'm talking about now, not some possible future. Get real, if you know anything about the energy a city the size of Perth uses you will know it is not feasable or practical to power it with wave or wind power. If it was we'd be doing it already. You're thinking about what might be and constantly whinging about things as they are without ever making an effort to change things. You must be British. I'm talking about the power you use right now. Your electric power doesn't come from wind, waves or even the Snowy scheme. You use power generated by coal burning power plants outside Perth. For the amount of energy used you generate more pollution that is worse for the environment but you concentrate on people with wood heaters because the pollution you help create is out of sight out of mind.
You're complaining about a bit of wood smoke but back in Britain they discharge radioactive coolant into the Irish Sea. I suppose that too was out of sight and out of mind for you.
They just let off the odd Atom bomb in Australia did they not and the French still test bombs off these shores.
Coal powered stations are outdated as is most of Australia's infrastructure.
We all breath the crap that the wood burners produce its a problem for all.
Jul 20th 2003, 11:50 am
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
Wales has a Hydro dam that refills itself at night and powers the national grid by day, the water is pumped back upto the top when power is not required at night.
Wales has a Hydro dam that refills itself at night and powers the national grid by day, the water is pumped back upto the top when power is not required at night.
Not sure their is that much unused Nuclear power available even at night in the Uk to refill the lake.
Jul 20th 2003, 1:45 pm
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Originally posted by Kiwipaul
This Hydro dam you are talking about is used for peak demand only as it has a very limited capacity, but can be turned on instantly. The theory was unused nuclear power would be used at night to fill the lake and it would be used during the day.
Not sure their is that much unused Nuclear power available even at night in the Uk to refill the lake.
This Hydro dam you are talking about is used for peak demand only as it has a very limited capacity, but can be turned on instantly. The theory was unused nuclear power would be used at night to fill the lake and it would be used during the day.
Not sure their is that much unused Nuclear power available even at night in the Uk to refill the lake.
Wales has enough rain fall to fill many dams.
Read and learn too advanced for Australia
Hydroelectric power stations in the UK range from small 30-kilowatt generators to major stations with outputs over 100 megawatts, comparable with a gas turbine or small coal-fired station.
http://www.energy.org.uk/EFHydro.htm
Jul 20th 2003, 1:58 pm
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
Wales has enough rain fall to fill many dams.
Read and learn too advanced for Australia
Hydroelectric power stations in the UK range from small 30-kilowatt generators to major stations with outputs over 100 megawatts, comparable with a gas turbine or small coal-fired station.
http://www.energy.org.uk/EFHydro.htm
Wales has enough rain fall to fill many dams.
Read and learn too advanced for Australia
Hydroelectric power stations in the UK range from small 30-kilowatt generators to major stations with outputs over 100 megawatts, comparable with a gas turbine or small coal-fired station.
http://www.energy.org.uk/EFHydro.htm
Their are just no suitable sites left for this type of energy generation, nor are their any populations that will accept new reservoirs submergeing valleys anywhere in the UK (maybe even the western world).
Take a look at NZ they have 8 hydro stations on one river that is supplied by Lake Taupo and produce about 80% power from hydro. But even a sparsely pop country like that cannot find any more suiitable hydro sites acceptable to the locals.
Jul 20th 2003, 1:59 pm
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Total UK hydroelectricity 4,252 MW = 6.2%
Jul 20th 2003, 2:09 pm
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Originally posted by Kiwipaul
By your own figures it only provided 2% of power generated 10 years ago, it's going to be much less now. Hydro stations need dams and reservoirs, when was the last dam built in the UK for Hydro of drinking water was it the 60 or 70's.
Their are just no suitable sites left for this type of energy generation, nor are their any populations that will accept new reservoirs submergeing valleys anywhere in the UK (maybe even the western world).
Take a look at NZ they have 8 hydro stations on one river that is supplied by Lake Taupo and produce about 80% power from hydro. But even a sparsely pop country like that cannot find any more suiitable hydro sites acceptable to the locals.
By your own figures it only provided 2% of power generated 10 years ago, it's going to be much less now. Hydro stations need dams and reservoirs, when was the last dam built in the UK for Hydro of drinking water was it the 60 or 70's.
Their are just no suitable sites left for this type of energy generation, nor are their any populations that will accept new reservoirs submergeing valleys anywhere in the UK (maybe even the western world).
Take a look at NZ they have 8 hydro stations on one river that is supplied by Lake Taupo and produce about 80% power from hydro. But even a sparsely pop country like that cannot find any more suiitable hydro sites acceptable to the locals.
The UK has switched over to Gas turbines because of North sea gas and it's still trying wind and sea power .
Scotland still has land that would make fine Hydro dams so does Wales and needs will drive the Market.
The UK can still buy power from Northern Europe and will do if the need arises ,the problem here is polluters have a free hand its like London a hundred years ago.
The Aussies would not sign at Kyoto but the Brits did as they can meet its rerquirements and Australia cannot.
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Jul 20th 2003, 2:09 pm
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Originally posted by Genyornis
Total UK electricity 68,937
Total UK hydroelectricity 4,252 MW = 6.2%
Total UK electricity 68,937
Total UK hydroelectricity 4,252 MW = 6.2%
Thats the problem NZ had recently the low rainfalls meant that that Lake Taupo was low and didn't have the capacity to supply enough water to generate max power. They have plenty of capacity just not the water to supply it.
Take a look at the size of Lake Taupo and it's height above sea level and we've nothing like it anywhere in the UK.
Jul 20th 2003, 2:15 pm
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
The UK has switched over to Gas turbines because of North sea gas and it still trying wind and sea power .
Scotland still has land that would make fine Hydro dams so does Wales and needs will drive the Market.
The UK has switched over to Gas turbines because of North sea gas and it still trying wind and sea power .
Scotland still has land that would make fine Hydro dams so does Wales and needs will drive the Market.
An don't think us Scottish aren't proud to be supplying you with all the resources for your power requirements.
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Jul 20th 2003, 2:15 pm
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
You think Australia has no ranges to support dam's I say you know less about the country you love than I do.
The UK has switched over to Gas turbines because of North sea gas and it still trying wind and sea power .
Scotland still has land that would make fine Hydro dams so does Wales and needs will drive the Market.
The UK can still buy power from North Eurpoe and will do if the need arises ,the problem here is polluters have a free hand its like London a hundred years ago.
The Aussies would not sign at Kyoto but the Brits did as they can meet its rerquirements and Australia cannot.
You think Australia has no ranges to support dam's I say you know less about the country you love than I do.
The UK has switched over to Gas turbines because of North sea gas and it still trying wind and sea power .
Scotland still has land that would make fine Hydro dams so does Wales and needs will drive the Market.
The UK can still buy power from North Eurpoe and will do if the need arises ,the problem here is polluters have a free hand its like London a hundred years ago.
The Aussies would not sign at Kyoto but the Brits did as they can meet its rerquirements and Australia cannot.
Also the days of cheap gas are gone, more N Sea gas is now imported from Norway (at comercial rates), than is provided by the UK sector and it's only going to get worse.
Jul 20th 2003, 2:32 pm
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Originally posted by dracupg
An don't think us Scottish aren't proud to be supplying you with all the resources for your power requirements.
An don't think us Scottish aren't proud to be supplying you with all the resources for your power requirements.
Jul 20th 2003, 2:36 pm
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Originally posted by Kiwipaul
I bet the Welsh and Scots are delighted to find that even more of their valleys are going to be submerged to supply the English with even more drinking water and power.
Also the days of cheap gas are gone, more N Sea gas is now imported from Norway (at comercial rates), than is provided by the UK sector and it's only going to get worse.
I bet the Welsh and Scots are delighted to find that even more of their valleys are going to be submerged to supply the English with even more drinking water and power.
Also the days of cheap gas are gone, more N Sea gas is now imported from Norway (at comercial rates), than is provided by the UK sector and it's only going to get worse.
Wrong again on the gas have you any right information?
http://www.exxonmobil.co.uk/UK-Engli...sso_060203.asp
http://www.tullowoil.ie/news/2002/4December2002.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/...891810,00.html
http://www.bg-group.com/news/archive_2003/080103-sx.htm
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Jul 20th 2003, 2:37 pm
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
I married a Fife girl what more you want , blood.
I married a Fife girl what more you want , blood.
Jul 20th 2003, 2:43 pm
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Originally posted by Kiwipaul
I bet the Welsh and Scots are delighted to find that even more of their valleys are going to be submerged to supply the English with even more drinking water and power.
I bet the Welsh and Scots are delighted to find that even more of their valleys are going to be submerged to supply the English with even more drinking water and power.
What's new, second class citizens - use our resources - but then "they" say -- ohhh Wales etc relies on England and couldn't go it alone , who are they trying to kid - themselves maybe
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