Originally Posted by paulry

Juliar & Co have already sealed their fates

Originally Posted by Bix

Consumption or population aint gonna decrease anytime soon, in fact the reverse is true, so you have to toss these in there too:

#3 - generate energy by cleaner methods.

#4 - neutralize the pollution.

Originally Posted by JoeBloggs80

I've got no problem with it.

They actually seem to have used it as an excuse to reform tax structure for the better.

Originally Posted by quoll

Ah, but some government moron on talkback radio this morning was trying to assure us that it isnt a carbon TAX at all, it is an emissions trading scheme - that's the way the Liarminister is getting out of her promise "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead" pre election.

It looks very much as if we are following our elders - back in the day of the superstitious, they would sacrifice virgins (and poor old Agamemnon topping his daughter Iphigenia) to get better weather for their endeavours. Nowadays they are sacrificing economies instead.

Love this youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvObf...layer_embedded

Originally Posted by Charismatic

But you have to look like you are doing something because it will give you the moral high ground in international politics.

Anyway even if you aren't that taken by arguments or data supporting a global warming hypothesis it would be a good idea to get a grip on using fossil resources in the long term. So you offer people a carrot and stick, then take away the carrot later .

Originally Posted by Brisneyland

Lots of references in Joolia speak to "carbon pollution"

Carbon is not a pollutant is it? Does she mean carbon dioxide? Which again is not a pollutant. Does she mean greenhouse gas? Does she even know what she means?

Apparently the human body is 18% carbon. I reckon Joolia's head is about 18% of her total self. I wish I was a climate scientist, I would conclude that therefore we should remove Joolia's head and embark on a carbon-locking program with it.

Originally Posted by Charismatic

By golly Bix, you’ve got it! We’ll simply recycle our carbon dioxide from cars into crude oil. Why did no scientist think of this before?

There was a geoengineering team from the United States of Canadialand who suggested pumping Sulphur Dioxide into the upper atmosphere (We assumes using a hose attached to balloon?) that would stop global warming but that didn’t go down well with people who just think we would be better off giving up our addiction to cheap energy.

Originally Posted by GarryP

But still less of a clown than Tony, and there's the problem.

The general standard of strategic thinking, planning and implementation in Australian politicians is at about high school level. None of them are actually up to the job they want, and some are so inept that barely scrap primary school standards (that's nah, nah, no Tony).

So far the Greens seem to be the closest to the adults in the room. They at least point out that for it to have an effect, its got to hurt, and petrol has to be included.

Carbon taxes are a last ditch backup measure to address the reality that Australia isn't mature enough to do anything significant for the past two decades, and they need to be smacked so they stop playing up and start moving.

Originally Posted by GarryP

But still less of a clown than Tony, and there's the problem.

The general standard of strategic thinking, planning and implementation in Australian politicians is at about high school level. None of them are actually up to the job they want, and some are so inept that barely scrap primary school standards (that's nah, nah, no Tony).

So far the Greens seem to be the closest to the adults in the room. They at least point out that for it to have an effect, its got to hurt, and petrol has to be included.

Carbon taxes are a last ditch backup measure to address the reality that Australia isn't mature enough to do anything significant for the past two decades, and they need to be smacked so they stop playing up and start moving.

Originally Posted by roaringmouse

The way the tax is set up won't work for reducing either carbon emissions or pollution. However saying that, we would be a household better off when it kicks in next July. So I'm neither for it, nor against it!

Originally Posted by aussietobe

Totally disgree. Give me Tony over Juliar every day of the week/ Abbott has common sense and wouldn't sell his soul to the devil for power unlike HER. Can't stand her, and her address to the nation nearly made with incandescent with rage.