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Dorothy Feb 15th 2013 5:07 pm

Re: Canberra
 

Originally Posted by IvanM (Post 10548693)
Canberra is a village. ACT is a territory.

Right. The Capitol village of Australia is Canberra. Which is in the territory of the Australian Capitol of Territory. Either way, Canberra will not be sponsoring the OP. ACT may, though.

quoll Feb 15th 2013 6:32 pm

Re: Canberra
 

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 10548741)
Right. The Capitol village of Australia is Canberra. Which is in the territory of the Australian Capitol of Territory. Either way, Canberra will not be sponsoring the OP. ACT may, though.

What's with the village theme going on here? Canberra is the national capital! (Capital with an A Dorothy, since we seem to be in pedant mode on this thread - hope you don't mind me mentioning it!)

I'm surprised that prison officer is on the list too TBH - not denigrating anyone's skills but with other states cutting back on correctional services staff I'd have thought there were plenty of locals up for the job - not one I would choose to do either in UK or Aus and my hat's off to anyone who does it. My fear is that like many occupations on the ACT list, the jobs just aren't there when they do get sponsored.

pomikev Feb 15th 2013 6:44 pm

Re: Canberra
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 10548729)
Kev, when did you last read the skills list? Locals can be trained - and are trained - to do the vast majority of jobs on it, but if they don't want to do those jobs then they have to be filled from elsewhere, hence the skills in demand list. And if someone is "lucky"enough to find their job on it, good luck to them!
I take my hat off to anyone doing macatack007's job, I certainly wouldn't want it, not in either country.

They closed Grafton Gaol here in NSW last year and laid off 100 screws, many of which have not been offered relocation to other regions but have ended up either on the dole or driving school buses or doing security outside pubs.

There were picket lines, protests, tears and tantrums about how devastating it was going to be on the local community and the families of those affected.

So if there are jobs going in Canberra why don't they re-employ the Australians that got fired instead of trawling overseas for them ?

No one is saying it's not a shitty job, (although one would hope that people doing that job are trained to be calm and not to over react with violent outbursts and personal abuse the way the OP did when his button got pushed - prisoners are not the only ones with attitude problems obviously) I'm just saying that there are already people in Australia who are trained, available and perfectly capable of filling the role and contrary to the OP's high opinion of himself it's not rocket science and I feel it doesn't deserve to be on the skills list and will be making that point in my letters to the justice and immigration ministers.

I pay my taxes here (pretty high they are too) and so I have an interest in seeing that money spent wisely and locally and feel perfectly entitled to my opinion.

Pollyana Feb 15th 2013 6:56 pm

Re: Canberra
 

Originally Posted by pomikev (Post 10548788)
They closed Grafton Gaol here in NSW last year and laid off 100 screws, many of which have not been offered relocation to other regions but have ended up either on the dole or driving school buses or doing security outside pubs.

There were picket lines, protests, tears and tantrums about how devastating it was going to be on the local community and the families of those affected.

So if there are jobs going in Canberra why don't they re-employ the Australians that got fired instead of trawling overseas for them ?

No one is saying it's not a shitty job, (although one would hope that people doing that job are trained to be calm and not to over react with violent outbursts and personal abuse the way the OP did when his button got pushed - prisoners are not the only ones with attitude problems obviously) I'm just saying that there are already people in Australia who are trained, available and perfectly capable of filling the role and contrary to the OP's high opinion of himself it's not rocket science and I feel it doesn't deserve to be on the skills list and will be making that point in my letters to the justice and immigration ministers.

I pay my taxes here (pretty high they are too) and so I have an interest in seeing that money spent wisely and locally and feel perfectly entitled to my opinion.

Perfectly entitled to your opinion :) Maybe you could have phrased it a little better though - see Quoll's post ;). We want to keep our new members not frighten them off!!
And I'm serious - have a look at the skills list......you may find yourself amazed at some stuff on it!!

pomikev Feb 15th 2013 7:34 pm

Re: Canberra
 
Do you mean this list ???

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/_pdf/sol-schedule1.pdf

Because prison officers aren't on it as far as I can see :)

Dorothy Feb 15th 2013 7:40 pm

Re: Canberra
 

Originally Posted by quoll (Post 10548780)
What's with the village theme going on here? Canberra is the national capital! (Capital with an A Dorothy, since we seem to be in pedant mode on this thread - hope you don't mind me mentioning it!)

I'm surprised that prison officer is on the list too TBH - not denigrating anyone's skills but with other states cutting back on correctional services staff I'd have thought there were plenty of locals up for the job - not one I would choose to do either in UK or Aus and my hat's off to anyone who does it. My fear is that like many occupations on the ACT list, the jobs just aren't there when they do get sponsored.

Sorry...I was typing on my iPad earlier and it kept changing to Capitol on me.

The village theme is in reply to Ivan, who said that Canberra is a village and ACT is a territory.

And yes, there are loads of occupations on the state sponsorship lists that one has to wonder at. Surely if services are being cut back then it doesn't make sense to import a workforce.

old.sparkles Feb 15th 2013 7:49 pm

Re: Canberra
 

Originally Posted by pomikev (Post 10548824)
Do you mean this list ???

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/_pdf/sol-schedule1.pdf

Because prison officers aren't on it as far as I can see :)

That's because thats a schedule 1 list :)

Prison officers is schedule 2 which is why the OP needs sponsorship, and I think that prison officers need to be citizens or PR, so that would rule out 457 and leave state sponsorship or ENS maybe

This would be the full list

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/gener...tions-csol.pdf

pomikev Feb 15th 2013 7:50 pm

Re: Canberra
 

Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 10548845)
That's because thats a schedule 1 list :)

Prison officers is schedule 2 which is why the OP needs sponsorship, and I think that prison officers need to be citizens or PR, so that would rule out 457 and leave state sponsorship or ENS maybe

This would be the full list

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/gener...tions-csol.pdf

thanks sparkles

old.sparkles Feb 15th 2013 7:52 pm

Re: Canberra
 

Originally Posted by pomikev (Post 10548846)
thanks sparkles

no worries :)

canadaeh Feb 15th 2013 8:13 pm

Re: Canberra
 
A local here.

Yep, first off Canberra is not a state and doesn't sponsor anyone. It's te capital city of Australia. It's in the Australian Capital Territory.

Most homes and property is on www.allhomes.com.au

But, a site that has information on everything about living in Canberra (including sponsorship) is here: http://www.canberrayourfuture.com.au/

It is a fantastic place to live, we have the highest pay, best educated, lowest unemployment, Beach to the east, ski fields to the west, Sydney up the road (well a bit up the road).

The Canberra site should have everything you are looking for, most people give Canberra a bad review but most have never been.

Everyone is saying if services are being cut in other states why not get them in the ACT - thing is most people don't want to move to Canberra, so it's not that easy to just send someone from a different state, especially when there is this theme going around that its just a village. I found living on Perth much more to a village lifestyle.

But yep, Prision Officer is definitely on the ACT skills list as open: http://www.canberrayourfuture.com.au...st-2012-13.pdf

I'm in Sydney at the moment and can't wait to drive back down to Canbetta tomorrow. Traffic here has been a nightmare, forgot what it's like.

When looking for property in and around Canberra search all of the ACT as no where is too far to commute or get around.

Good luck Macatack007, and fair play to what you do for a job, many couldn't do it so definitely and strong person, and admirable.

quoll Feb 15th 2013 9:34 pm

Re: Canberra
 

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 10548829)
Sorry...I was typing on my iPad earlier and it kept changing to Capitol on me.

The village theme is in reply to Ivan, who said that Canberra is a village and ACT is a territory.

And yes, there are loads of occupations on the state sponsorship lists that one has to wonder at. Surely if services are being cut back then it doesn't make sense to import a workforce.

LOL my ipad does that too - heavens knows what I say some of the time!

I agree with Canadeh, Canberra gets a bad press, usually from people who have never been. It's a far more pleasant place to live than either Sydney or Melbourne IMHO - in neither of those places can you actually live in a nice suburb and only have minutes to travel into the centre (or wherever you work, really) without spending an absolute fortune on a mortgage.

macatack007 Feb 16th 2013 3:44 am

Re: Canberra
 

Originally Posted by pomikev (Post 10548788)
They closed Grafton Gaol here in NSW last year and laid off 100 screws, many of which have not been offered relocation to other regions but have ended up either on the dole or driving school buses or doing security outside pubs.

There were picket lines, protests, tears and tantrums about how devastating it was going to be on the local community and the families of those affected.

So if there are jobs going in Canberra why don't they re-employ the Australians that got fired instead of trawling overseas for them ?

No one is saying it's not a shitty job, (although one would hope that people doing that job are trained to be calm and not to over react with violent outbursts and personal abuse the way the OP did when his button got pushed - prisoners are not the only ones with attitude problems obviously) I'm just saying that there are already people in Australia who are trained, available and perfectly capable of filling the role and contrary to the OP's high opinion of himself it's not rocket science and I feel it doesn't deserve to be on the skills list and will be making that point in my letters to the justice and immigration ministers.

I pay my taxes here (pretty high they are too) and so I have an interest in seeing that money spent wisely and locally and feel perfectly entitled to my opinion.

You have no idea have you; you come on here shouting your mouth off at something you obviously know nothing about. You attack me and my profession and have a go at me for defending myself. (Trained to be calm and not over react, violent out burst and personal attacks) wow I thought you mentioned earlier that people could be trained for my job in a week (a lot to cram in, in a week eh Kev) (prisoners are not the only ones with attitude problems obviously) That is correct they are not, you have to have an attitude in my job or you will get walked all over.

(contrary to the OP's high opinion of himself it's not rocket science and I feel it doesn't deserve to be on the skills list and will be making that point in my letters to the justice and immigration ministers). High opinion of myself, let me tell you something, you gobbed off and you got the reply you deserved. You got a wee feel of reality of what the role of a prison officer does on a daily basis and I gave you a small insight of some of the situations I have been in, just to let you know that the role of a prison officer is not all about the turn of a key, as you ignorantly quoted.

What gives you the right to decide what goes on the shortage list, oh yeh, you pay your taxes I forgot. I pay my taxes also, maybe I should write to the prime minister and ask for the death penalty for the prisoner who recently smashed a glass bottle in the chest of one of my colleagues and opened up another’s scull with a wooden chair leg causing her brain damage, she doesn’t even know her children now thanks to him.
Because you pay your taxes, when you write to the justice and immigration ministers and because you are ignorant, why not tell them to remove the jobs below as they are jobs the locals can do.
• Police Officer
• Child Care Centre Manager
• Medical Administrator
• Forester
• Antique Dealer
• Betting Agency Manager
• Post Office Manager
• Travel Agency Manager
• Amusement Centre Manager
• Fitness Centre Manager
• Funeral Director
• Web Administrator


Now just to finish off Kev, you seem an intelligent person, grow some B*LLS and apologise for you silly comments and we can draw a line under this whole situation. It seems I am not the only one who thinks you are in the wrong :D

p.s I look forward to my next English lesson, you are saving me a bundle of cash on home tuition...:) Oh yeh (out burst) as you put it is all one word.

pomikev Feb 16th 2013 4:04 am

Re: Canberra
 

Originally Posted by macatack007 (Post 10549354)
apologise for you silly comments

It's your silly comments.

quoll Feb 16th 2013 5:15 am

Re: Canberra
 
Good Lord are they really all on the list or are you making it up? Antique dealer? FFS, that's a joke, surely! Still if it is the ACT then nothing surprises me really!

macatack007 Feb 16th 2013 5:15 am

Re: Canberra
 

Originally Posted by pomikev (Post 10549382)
It's your silly comments.

:) How much do I owe you? Don't you ever sleep?


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