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Amazulu Oct 22nd 2013 2:10 pm

Brown Snake?
 
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This poor bugger was in the road this morning. Looking at my book of Australian wildlife, I reckon it's a King Brown?

It's about a metre long

spouse of scouse Oct 22nd 2013 3:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 10957131)
This poor bugger was in the road this morning. Looking at my book of Australian wildlife, I reckon it's a King Brown?

It's about a metre long

I'm no expert, but it looks like an eastern brown to me. Highly venomous so lucky it was on the road and not in your car :eek: Poor thing, it's well and truly squished :(

verystormy Oct 22nd 2013 3:27 pm

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Hard to say, but i dont think it is a king brown (mulga snake). Looks more like a dugite (brown snake) where was it as mulga are not really found everywhere.

Broad Shoulders Oct 22nd 2013 3:45 pm

Re: Brown Snake?
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 10957131)
This poor bugger was in the road this morning. Looking at my book of Australian wildlife, I reckon it's a King Brown?

It's about a metre long

it's not a King Brown. They are a lot fatter than that. The King Brown is in fact part of the black snake family and they tend to have flatter and fatter bodies and not much of a neck on them. That does look like an Eastern Brown, but it is on its back and makes it difficult to tell

ozzieeagle Oct 22nd 2013 5:03 pm

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Still it's going to be one of the top 5 Venomous snakes in the world, no matter which version of a Brown snake it is LOL.

My wife goes after them, which is very disconcerting for me. At our Caravan site we had at Nagambie on the Goulburn, a Tiger snake swam across the river to the long grass on the river bank about 20 meters from the back door of our annexe. 10 minutes later, the wife was out there with some shears and a shovel, saying they wont f...ing well hide here again, she reckons she was protecting our then two kids under 6.....It's times like that that I fully realise there are generations of Bush Aus in my missus. :eek:


I've got some growing up in the bush stories that would make most UK migrants head spin if you want ?

DML Oct 22nd 2013 5:18 pm

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they tell me out here that the number one reason for a snake bite is someone trying to catch a snake they've seen....

Broad Shoulders Oct 22nd 2013 5:20 pm

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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 10957260)
Still it's going to be one of the top 5 Venomous snakes in the world, no matter which version of a Brown snake it is LOL.

My wife goes after them, which is very disconcerting for me. At our Caravan site we had at Nagambie on the Goulburn, a Tiger snake swam across the river to the long grass on the river bank about 20 meters from the back door of our annexe. 10 minutes later, the wife was out there with some shears and a shovel, saying they wont f...ing well hide here again, she reckons she was protecting our then two kids under 6.....It's times like that that I fully realise there are generations of Bush Aus in my missus. :eek:


I've got some growing up in the bush stories that would make most UK migrants head spin if you want ?

your wife sounds like Badge's wife

ozzieeagle Oct 22nd 2013 5:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10957275)
your wife sounds like Badge's wife

Plenty of Aussie Bush Chicks are like this.

What do you expect when you grow up on a outback sheep station with 5 brothers as your main influence.... Like the times they used to get "Shags" wild birds that is, and make her put her hand down their throats to get the fish out..... dozens and dozens of stories like that. Then there's the sheep marrow...

I'll stop now though ;)

chris955 Oct 22nd 2013 5:52 pm

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Originally Posted by DML (Post 10957272)
they tell me out here that the number one reason for a snake bite is someone trying to catch a snake they've seen....

Yes that is absolutely correct and serves them right. They are all protected species and arent allowed to be touched or harmed. The trouble is there are so many loopholes in the law none of the heroes ever get prosecuted.

renth Oct 22nd 2013 6:12 pm

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I think it's a dugite.

bitzenpces Oct 22nd 2013 6:33 pm

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A tiger snake

renth Oct 22nd 2013 7:08 pm

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A one-eyed trouser snake.

chris955 Oct 22nd 2013 7:12 pm

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Almost definitely a King Brown. Not an Eastern Brown, the clue is in the name ;)
Dugites have a spotted ventral surface. Definitely not a Tiger.

sonlymewalter Oct 22nd 2013 7:49 pm

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Its a squashed snake :unsure:

Some snakes can bite for a period of time even after being decapitated:eek:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/vid...s-itself-video

Amazulu Oct 22nd 2013 7:56 pm

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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 10957192)
I'm no expert, but it looks like an eastern brown to me. Highly venomous so lucky it was on the road and not in your car :eek: Poor thing, it's well and truly squished :(

According to my book we don't get the Eastern Brown in WA?

Amazulu Oct 22nd 2013 7:56 pm

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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 10957192)
I'm no expert, but it looks like an eastern brown to me. Highly venomous so lucky it was on the road and not in your car :eek: Poor thing, it's well and truly squished :(

The crows were getting stuck into too

DML Oct 22nd 2013 8:13 pm

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Another point of (possible) interest is that we don't go on the visual appearance of the snake to help try and identify it. The experts we can phone usually know what the likely snake is from the location and description of the incident. I'm told they're rarely wrong

chris955 Oct 22nd 2013 8:21 pm

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Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 10957446)
According to my book we don't get the Eastern Brown in WA?

Post #13

spouse of scouse Oct 22nd 2013 10:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 10957446)
According to my book we don't get the Eastern Brown in WA?

Then I'll change my guess to a western brown. Or an eastern brown that stowed away on a road train ;)

Bernieboy Oct 22nd 2013 11:20 pm

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It's a belt that's been chucked out of a car.

spouse of scouse Oct 22nd 2013 11:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Bernieboy (Post 10957693)
It's a belt that's been chucked out of a car.

Awful lot of stuffing in that belt!

northernbird Oct 23rd 2013 3:19 am

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Who gives a crap what it is, it's a snake, it's probably venomous :)

spouse of scouse Oct 23rd 2013 3:21 am

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Originally Posted by northernbird (Post 10958079)
Who gives a crap what it is, it's a snake, it's probably venomous :)

I think I'd give a crap if I stumbled across it, and I mean that literally! :o:lol:

northernbird Oct 23rd 2013 3:24 am

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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 10958085)
I think I'd give a crap if I stumbled across it, and I mean that literally! :o:lol:

If I saw a snake I wouldn't care what it was. I don't know the statistics but in my mind all snakes are venomous and I would run a proverbial.

chris955 Oct 23rd 2013 4:41 am

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Many of us care what it is and are also saddened to see it needlessly killed on the road.

northernbird Oct 23rd 2013 4:48 am

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Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 10958228)
Many of us care what it is and are also saddened to see it needlessly killed on the road.

Sadly with the ever increasing urbanisation of our cities native wildlife will unfortunately perish.

Broad Shoulders Oct 23rd 2013 8:49 am

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Originally Posted by bitzenpces (Post 10957342)
A tiger snake

nah, it is too slender to be a tiger snake

Broad Shoulders Oct 23rd 2013 8:55 am

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Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 10957384)
Almost definitely a King Brown. Not an Eastern Brown, the clue is in the name ;)
Dugites have a spotted ventral surface. Definitely not a Tiger.

except the King Brown is completely and utterly unrelated to the Eastern. They are not even part of the same sub species. The King Brown is part of the Black snake family, hence why it is now going by its other name now, the Mulga, to avoid confusion.

That photo appears to show a slender type snake with a pronounced head on it. The Mulga does not have much of a neck on it and the head is almost a continuation of the body. It could well be the Mulga, but that is the slimmest Mulga I've ever seen

renth Oct 23rd 2013 9:51 am

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...It's a dugite, look at this:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bush/dugite.html

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bush/AFF-1.JPG

DadAgain Oct 23rd 2013 10:05 am

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Doesnt matter really what kind of snake it was.

It used to be a magnificent and intriguing creature. Now its just a mess on the road :(:thumbdown:

bitzenpces Oct 23rd 2013 11:34 am

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Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10958610)
nah, it is too slender to be a tiger snake

Could be a juvenile tiger snake

Broad Shoulders Oct 23rd 2013 12:16 pm

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 10958737)

I think you're probably right there. I believe they are quite common in WA too

commonwealth Oct 23rd 2013 2:18 pm

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Isnt it illegal to harm these snakes unless they pose a real and present danger?

Broad Shoulders Oct 23rd 2013 3:02 pm

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Originally Posted by commonwealth (Post 10958974)
Isnt it illegal to harm these snakes unless they pose a real and present danger?

did the Google Auto Alert system bring you to this thread

[search for threads with words "brown" & "snake"]

chris955 Oct 23rd 2013 5:01 pm

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Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10958620)
except the King Brown is completely and utterly unrelated to the Eastern. They are not even part of the same sub species. The King Brown is part of the Black snake family, hence why it is now going by its other name now, the Mulga, to avoid confusion.

That photo appears to show a slender type snake with a pronounced head on it. The Mulga does not have much of a neck on it and the head is almost a continuation of the body. It could well be the Mulga, but that is the slimmest Mulga I've ever seen

I was referring to the fact that an EASTERN Brown isnt found in WESTERN Australia, hence the clue is in the name ;) Also I think you mean it isnt part of the same genus not sub species. It is more likely to be a King Brown than anything else, the Dugite for example has a pronounced spotted belly. Its very hard to tell from the belly of a mangled snake but I can only use my 40+ years of keeping and studying reptiles to give my best opinion.

chris955 Oct 23rd 2013 5:03 pm

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Originally Posted by commonwealth (Post 10958974)
Isnt it illegal to harm these snakes unless they pose a real and present danger?

Yes, to me knowledge noone has ever been prosecuted for killing one as the law is full of loopholes and the wildlife authorities are extremely apathetic.

spouse of scouse Oct 23rd 2013 5:22 pm

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[QUOTE=chris955;10959082]I was referring to the fact that an EASTERN Brown isnt found in WESTERN Australia, hence the clue is in the name ;) QUOTE]

:lol: It's all brian's fault, if I'd known he was in WA I wouldn't have guessed an eastern brown and made an egg of myself :lol:

old.sparkles Oct 23rd 2013 6:22 pm

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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 10959097)
:lol: It's all brian's fault, if I'd known he was in WA I wouldn't have guessed an eastern brown and made an egg of myself :lol:

I didn't know Utopia was in WA either (and it was Amazulu, not brian - have another egg :lol:)

spouse of scouse Oct 23rd 2013 7:25 pm

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Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 10959137)
I didn't know Utopia was in WA either (and it was Amazulu, not brian - have another egg :lol:)

I'd better stop posting for awhile, any more eggs and I'll be clucking :o:lol:

BadgeIsBack Oct 23rd 2013 7:52 pm

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Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10957275)
your wife sounds like Badge's wife

Except my wife is not a country girl. ..a city girl!

She has her moments.....


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