Quite right, Simbacat. We need a term that describes the ones who come for the free ride (freeloaders?), & to take advantage of the NHS etc, which differentiates them from the genuine 'asylum seekers' and of course those who bring skills, the ability to make a contribution and build a good life for their families. It is the successive UK governments who are to blame here, for failing to implement sensible policies and instead, turn it into a free-for-all mess, that still fails to help those in genuine need.

Mind you, given the current ignorance and misunderstanding that surrounds the subject, it occurs to me that, if I'd told the local NHS I was an 'asylum seeker's' child, I might have got more prompt treatment for my asthma

Anya.

Mike I'm beginning to like you. I suspect we have more in common than I (we) think. I've never begrudged you your facts, just your delivery..

cheers

Didnt the UK have a big campaign to expose the pervert/pedo element of society, bring it into the open? Perhaps thats why people feel Australia is safer on this issue.

Its no safer here, the last time I read were leaving the UK because of everyone interferings with kids, the 24th attempted abduction this year of a child into a car happened within a 15 minute radius of us. Nice upmarket beach areas too. Ive seen some completely untrue rubbish written on here about a missing local boy but its done one thing most of these pervs trying to pick up kids now makes a story in the papers, which makes people aware of their kids being in danger.

I had an argument here with a woman who arrived and announced it was safe to walk on the beach at night, a month later the front page headline for that area Gold Coast was Perverts Paradise regarding rapes and murders on the beach.

Dont let a sunny facade cloud your reality.

Odat, I've always been a leader in style, not a manager.

If thngs get too abstract then I lose interest. I like the detail to the extent - my wife probably thinks I plan too much - and I'm quite conservative - othertimes I'm just "suck it and see".

Yes I have the image, drill going, suction happening and yep your still talking

always had the gift of the gab... she kept stopping and asking questions..I said howabout you pull out all the black ones..

Very good! [But wouldn't the consultant have used the faster ADO, not ODBC connection? No, of course not, cos he was charging by the second...]

He'd have to stay away from the new ADO.NET; away from Datasets and datatables. He'd have to use an Adabus database, all denormalised to really slow things down, and not use VB or ASP dlls....hard code all SQL in the presentation/business tier and not bother with SPs with an impossible Data Model that only he understood and farm out all the work piecemeal to the staff without allowing any collaboration....Then he'd get the bucks...

(Mike very timely - in case you think this is too much detail; this is what the morons in my last job were doing!)

BM

Definition
Consultant = someone who borrows your watch to tell you the time !!!!

LOL, leadership and management !

reminds me of a joke I heard many years ago about Noah ....

leadership is what he demonstarted when he persuaded all the animals to enter the ark.

Management is what he demonstrated when he stopped the elephants from seeing what the rabbits were up to !!!!

Not suggesting that this thread has gone way off track, but the database is usually denormalised to speed-up access!

Not according to the company that just did our removal to Melbourne. They are more overloaded than they have ever been with Brits leaving. In the past they also used to do about the same numbers of people coming to the UK from OZ/Canada/US but now this has dried up making it a one way flow. I've been here for 2 weeks, and although it is early days, I can honestly say I feel far more at home here than I have felt in the UK for years. Of the reasons for leaving, one (apart from the weather) comes up consitently among the ex-pats I have talked to so far. One thing I've observed sums it up for me. I love Kellogs Crunchy Nut Cornflakes. In the UK, the packet has a big picture of two happy smiling black people. In Australia the packet just has a picture of the Cornflakes.

BB.

Yes, but the usual Australian practice is to present a 'representational' picture of 2 anglos, 1 asian, 1 indian, 1 arab, a half-caste of indiscriminate origins and sometimes a child with Down's Syndrome thrown in for good measure. No wonder Kellogs have stuck to just the bowl!

By the way, welcome to Oz Bluebristonlian. Glad you like it.

And why do you think that is?

Because Kellogg's can't find 2 happy black people in Oz.

You also wouldn't be smiling if you suffered from 3rd world diseases...

Nup - Kellogg UK couldn't find 2 happy white Poms to make the quorum - had to settle for black "asylum'" seekers coming out of the dole office.