back in the UK - this is how it feels
Apr 17th 2004, 8:27 pm
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Originally posted by Bix
I am not anticipating that OZ will have a lot less negatives than here in the UK.
What I am anticipating is less of the things that I personally find negative.
One of those things is the attitude of the people. I've met a lot of people from OZ added to what I've seen and heard and I do believe the people have a much more relaxed and happier outlook on life.
I am not anticipating that OZ will have a lot less negatives than here in the UK.
What I am anticipating is less of the things that I personally find negative.
One of those things is the attitude of the people. I've met a lot of people from OZ added to what I've seen and heard and I do believe the people have a much more relaxed and happier outlook on life.
I find that a laid back lifestyle makes up for a lot of the other evils that you would find anywhere in the world. There is crime etc everywhere, but in Australia, you get to do it against a "nicer" attitude and backdrop. Eg
I would rather be overcharged (example of something negative!) by a shop assistant who has at least been polite and helpful.
I would rather commute in a country where I am guaranteed a summer.
I would rather live in a house big enough for my entire growing family 1hr out from the city, than live in a terraced house in a nasty area, 1 hr from the city.
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Apr 17th 2004, 8:29 pm
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At my sons high school in the uk one of the kids set fire to another, he sprayed a deoderant can and lit it and aimed!!! ... it was horrific and my son witnessed it, I couldnt get my kids out of the country fast enough!
Apr 17th 2004, 8:42 pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sparky12
Hiya Sparky
I must say I think Tapalinga speaks many a truth with the kids factor. Saying that I also think so long as they have happy parents it does not matter where you are in this world. They bounce back from many situations don't they !!
We are heading home to the Uk after being here in OZ for 21/2 years. We have a daughter of 2 and a bit years and our reasons for returning are mainly family reasons ( none here)We are also planning another bub and I feel I would welcome some network family support.
I think it just comes down to what you want out of life...not just for your kids. I know that I am more stressed here and not as happy so I don't want to end up a crap mother and wife.I know back home yes we will downsize house, struggle a bit more and have pooh weather but I feel I will be happier all in all. My hubby is an Aussie and he can't wait to get back. He feels there are better job opportunites back home and he wants to see more of Europe and not just " another beach" !!
Who knows whether it will be right or wrong but we both think for us we have to give it a go now rather then later. I know many poms who just CANNOT afford to make the trip back home and set up life again. One said to me if there had been a road leading back home to the UK she would have walked it by now.
As for education I really don't know enough about Aussie education to comment. We do pay into a fund with the ASG that is transferable to many countries and their representative told us that education in Australia will eventually cost a tidy sum indeed !!My local schools here in Oz are not that great as some are not in the Uk. The kids come round the back of our house onto the reserve and smoke from home made bongs...nice huh !!hosepipe and cola bottles.!!There are lots of shootings in and around the clubs!!It goes on wherever doesn't it !!
Sparky...I wish you much luck and wherever you go it would take time to settle...don't rush just sit and enjoy the moment and all the people/ things you perhaps missed.!!I certainly intend to.
Originally posted by bondipom
Interesting post. Where are you settling back in the UK? Does it feel like you are returning home?
Returned last month in fact, to Scotland. It does feel like "home" still but as per my original post, being away for only a couple of years opens your eyes to seeing the place a bit differently when you get back.
The "quality" of the education systems isn't so much the issue as I'm sure both systems produce excellent kids and not so excellent kids. Its more the social and cultural environment in which the children are educated that concernes me a bit being back home.
I suspect we are just going through what so many people must go through when considering options and it'll all come down to personal choices in the end
Interesting post. Where are you settling back in the UK? Does it feel like you are returning home?
Returned last month in fact, to Scotland. It does feel like "home" still but as per my original post, being away for only a couple of years opens your eyes to seeing the place a bit differently when you get back.
The "quality" of the education systems isn't so much the issue as I'm sure both systems produce excellent kids and not so excellent kids. Its more the social and cultural environment in which the children are educated that concernes me a bit being back home.
I suspect we are just going through what so many people must go through when considering options and it'll all come down to personal choices in the end
I must say I think Tapalinga speaks many a truth with the kids factor. Saying that I also think so long as they have happy parents it does not matter where you are in this world. They bounce back from many situations don't they !!
We are heading home to the Uk after being here in OZ for 21/2 years. We have a daughter of 2 and a bit years and our reasons for returning are mainly family reasons ( none here)We are also planning another bub and I feel I would welcome some network family support.
I think it just comes down to what you want out of life...not just for your kids. I know that I am more stressed here and not as happy so I don't want to end up a crap mother and wife.I know back home yes we will downsize house, struggle a bit more and have pooh weather but I feel I will be happier all in all. My hubby is an Aussie and he can't wait to get back. He feels there are better job opportunites back home and he wants to see more of Europe and not just " another beach" !!
Who knows whether it will be right or wrong but we both think for us we have to give it a go now rather then later. I know many poms who just CANNOT afford to make the trip back home and set up life again. One said to me if there had been a road leading back home to the UK she would have walked it by now.
As for education I really don't know enough about Aussie education to comment. We do pay into a fund with the ASG that is transferable to many countries and their representative told us that education in Australia will eventually cost a tidy sum indeed !!My local schools here in Oz are not that great as some are not in the Uk. The kids come round the back of our house onto the reserve and smoke from home made bongs...nice huh !!hosepipe and cola bottles.!!There are lots of shootings in and around the clubs!!It goes on wherever doesn't it !!
Sparky...I wish you much luck and wherever you go it would take time to settle...don't rush just sit and enjoy the moment and all the people/ things you perhaps missed.!!I certainly intend to.
Apr 17th 2004, 8:48 pm
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Originally posted by sky
At my sons high school in the uk one of the kids set fire to another, he sprayed a deoderant can and lit it and aimed!!! ... it was horrific and my son witnessed it, I couldnt get my kids out of the country fast enough!
At my sons high school in the uk one of the kids set fire to another, he sprayed a deoderant can and lit it and aimed!!! ... it was horrific and my son witnessed it, I couldnt get my kids out of the country fast enough!
Children aren't allowed to hit other children, they have a zero bullying policy, enforced by being expelled.
I'm pretty happy with the results.
But I am pretty sure that there are also schools in OZ that are not as good as this one.
Apr 17th 2004, 8:55 pm
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Originally posted by ABCDiamond
Slight difference here.... In my daughters school they would be suspended for swearing! and expelled for smoking, and a good ticking off for not wearing full uniform when in public. It's either no uniform, or 100% full, thats going to and from school. eg: The hat must be on the head, not carried !!
Children aren't allowed to hit other children, they have a zero bullying policy, enforced by being expelled.
I'm pretty happy with the results.
But I am pretty sure that there are also schools in OZ that are not as good as this one.
Slight difference here.... In my daughters school they would be suspended for swearing! and expelled for smoking, and a good ticking off for not wearing full uniform when in public. It's either no uniform, or 100% full, thats going to and from school. eg: The hat must be on the head, not carried !!
Children aren't allowed to hit other children, they have a zero bullying policy, enforced by being expelled.
I'm pretty happy with the results.
But I am pretty sure that there are also schools in OZ that are not as good as this one.
I like the fact that the schools are stricter in nz where we are and that the mums will not think twice about telling another child who is not their own not to spit/push/swear etc ... it is very refreshing
Apr 17th 2004, 8:56 pm
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Re: back in the UK - this is how it feels
Originally posted by sparky12
We've just returned to the UK from a 2 year secondment in Brisbane with young (pre school) family in tow. We were tempted to make it permanent on Oz but decided to come home last month to see how we felt before deciding what to do...
Now faced with the longer term choice of bringing kids up in Oz or the UK and balancing the benefits of having family close at hand (for us as parents but also for the kids themselves) or potentially giving the children a better education (maybe?) and certainly a better environment in which to grow up.
Be really interested to hear others views, especially around how they felt on returning to the UK and what choices were made and how its worked out. Also interested in views on education here and in Oz.
For what its worth, I hate people knocking the UK and also there was a lot about Brissy and Oz that frustrated me BUT the above is just an honest account of how it feels at the moment.
We've just returned to the UK from a 2 year secondment in Brisbane with young (pre school) family in tow. We were tempted to make it permanent on Oz but decided to come home last month to see how we felt before deciding what to do...
Now faced with the longer term choice of bringing kids up in Oz or the UK and balancing the benefits of having family close at hand (for us as parents but also for the kids themselves) or potentially giving the children a better education (maybe?) and certainly a better environment in which to grow up.
Be really interested to hear others views, especially around how they felt on returning to the UK and what choices were made and how its worked out. Also interested in views on education here and in Oz.
For what its worth, I hate people knocking the UK and also there was a lot about Brissy and Oz that frustrated me BUT the above is just an honest account of how it feels at the moment.
On the education front, OECD shows educational standards to be similar. On a personal level, I was unimpressed with the quality and depth of teaching that my children received in Oz. In my experience, the children aren't pushed hard enough. On a more contentious issue, in Oz, children seem to be awarded a prize for almost anything "And Steven wins this year's prize for wearing the most interesting socks". I'm all for encouraging kids. But, anything worthwhile in this world requires application and bloody hard work. Making 'success' too easy for kids doesn't do them any favours when preparing them for the workplace of the 21st century.
As my wife says, up to the age of 10, Oz may be better for kids. Past that, UK education is better - not specifically the academic side, but the exposure/proximity to other countries - especially Europe. The parochial nature of Oz tends to be very limiting.
I don't know what line of work you're in. Work wise for us (I am a management consultant) - there is no comparison. UK and Europe offer many more opportunities to the professions - even doing your own thing.
On the drugs side, it's probably pretty similar in both countries. On a personal note, I found that the drugs culture seems pretty entrenched in Oz - with the police being some of the biggest dealers!
Somebody once prepared a world happiness index (or something similar). I remember seeing that UK scored 72 and Oz 73 - not exactly a huge difference. And you have to ask yourself the question why is the suicide rate so much higher (by 50%) in Oz?
Apr 17th 2004, 9:17 pm
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Here is a link to world suicide rates.
It does show that the UK has one of the lowest rates in the world, and is in 16th position from the top. Australia is in 13th place.
France and Germany both have much higher rates aswell, 5th and 9th highest places respectively.
It does show that the UK has one of the lowest rates in the world, and is in 16th position from the top. Australia is in 13th place.
France and Germany both have much higher rates aswell, 5th and 9th highest places respectively.
Apr 17th 2004, 9:32 pm
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Re: back in the UK - this is how it feels
Hi
We were applying to emigrate (but have put it on hold as events here have overtaken us!). However, as we have three children (10,8 and 4) We had obviously looked into the education prospects for the boys. On the whole it seems pretty good and the sport and TAFE colleges sound great ideas (like the old Tech college system here - why did they get rid of that? But that's another issue...). However, our middle son is severely dyslexic and attends a school here with specialist dyslexia provision. Therefore we were looking for similar in Oz - No Chance!! I have contacted dyslexia organisations (a new idea there) and also a couple of Pricipals who have been v helpful, but all given same advice - Don't leave UK as there is no provision specifically for dyslexics and SEN provision as a whole lags behind UK as they don't like to label children (anyone who is or lives with a dyslexic knows that the label helps a dyslexic's self-esteem as they generally have above average IQs and are not "thick", just have a neurological problem in decoding words/numbers).!!
As a primary teacher myself (with a certificate in teaching dyslexics) this obviously concerns me greatly.
Anyway to sum up...IMO the ed systems both have their good and bad points, but it just comes down to what you want/need for your children. I would just advise looking into it really carefully to avoid any great shocks!
PS. I've been teaching for 15 years in large and small schools from Liverpool/Essex/Suffolk/Norfolk and I've never been abused verbally or physically - so although I don't deny that there is a problem, statistics can be misleading !
Hope this helps.
Becky
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We were applying to emigrate (but have put it on hold as events here have overtaken us!). However, as we have three children (10,8 and 4) We had obviously looked into the education prospects for the boys. On the whole it seems pretty good and the sport and TAFE colleges sound great ideas (like the old Tech college system here - why did they get rid of that? But that's another issue...). However, our middle son is severely dyslexic and attends a school here with specialist dyslexia provision. Therefore we were looking for similar in Oz - No Chance!! I have contacted dyslexia organisations (a new idea there) and also a couple of Pricipals who have been v helpful, but all given same advice - Don't leave UK as there is no provision specifically for dyslexics and SEN provision as a whole lags behind UK as they don't like to label children (anyone who is or lives with a dyslexic knows that the label helps a dyslexic's self-esteem as they generally have above average IQs and are not "thick", just have a neurological problem in decoding words/numbers).!!
As a primary teacher myself (with a certificate in teaching dyslexics) this obviously concerns me greatly.
Anyway to sum up...IMO the ed systems both have their good and bad points, but it just comes down to what you want/need for your children. I would just advise looking into it really carefully to avoid any great shocks!
PS. I've been teaching for 15 years in large and small schools from Liverpool/Essex/Suffolk/Norfolk and I've never been abused verbally or physically - so although I don't deny that there is a problem, statistics can be misleading !
Hope this helps.
Becky
Originally posted by sparky12
We've just returned to the UK from a 2 year secondment in Brisbane with young (pre school) family in tow. We were tempted to make it permanent on Oz but decided to come home last month to see how we felt before deciding what to do.
Finding settling back here quite hard and that's ignoring the weather- forgotten just how fed up SO MANY people look, how much more "in your face" the social problems that bedevil any big City (drink, drugs, crime generally) seem to be, also noticed how a service culture doesn't exist over here which isn't a major issue but it is very striking when you get back from Oz.
Now faced with the longer term choice of bringing kids up in Oz or the UK and balancing the benefits of having family close at hand (for us as parents but also for the kids themselves) or potentially giving the children a better education (maybe?) and certainly a better environment in which to grow up.
Be really interested to hear others views, especially around how they felt on returning to the UK and what choices were made and how its worked out. Also interested in views on education here and in Oz.
For what its worth, I hate people knocking the UK and also there was a lot about Brissy and Oz that frustrated me BUT the above is just an honest account of how it feels at the moment.
We've just returned to the UK from a 2 year secondment in Brisbane with young (pre school) family in tow. We were tempted to make it permanent on Oz but decided to come home last month to see how we felt before deciding what to do.
Finding settling back here quite hard and that's ignoring the weather- forgotten just how fed up SO MANY people look, how much more "in your face" the social problems that bedevil any big City (drink, drugs, crime generally) seem to be, also noticed how a service culture doesn't exist over here which isn't a major issue but it is very striking when you get back from Oz.
Now faced with the longer term choice of bringing kids up in Oz or the UK and balancing the benefits of having family close at hand (for us as parents but also for the kids themselves) or potentially giving the children a better education (maybe?) and certainly a better environment in which to grow up.
Be really interested to hear others views, especially around how they felt on returning to the UK and what choices were made and how its worked out. Also interested in views on education here and in Oz.
For what its worth, I hate people knocking the UK and also there was a lot about Brissy and Oz that frustrated me BUT the above is just an honest account of how it feels at the moment.
Apr 17th 2004, 9:37 pm
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Re: back in the UK - this is how it feels
Originally posted by sparky12
We've just returned to the UK from a 2 year secondment in Brisbane with young (pre school) family in tow. We were tempted to make it permanent on Oz but decided to come home last month to see how we felt before deciding what to do.
Finding settling back here quite hard and that's ignoring the weather- forgotten just how fed up SO MANY people look, how much more "in your face" the social problems that bedevil any big City (drink, drugs, crime generally) seem to be, also noticed how a service culture doesn't exist over here which isn't a major issue but it is very striking when you get back from Oz.
Now faced with the longer term choice of bringing kids up in Oz or the UK and balancing the benefits of having family close at hand (for us as parents but also for the kids themselves) or potentially giving the children a better education (maybe?) and certainly a better environment in which to grow up.
Be really interested to hear others views, especially around how they felt on returning to the UK and what choices were made and how its worked out. Also interested in views on education here and in Oz.
For what its worth, I hate people knocking the UK and also there was a lot about Brissy and Oz that frustrated me BUT the above is just an honest account of how it feels at the moment.
We've just returned to the UK from a 2 year secondment in Brisbane with young (pre school) family in tow. We were tempted to make it permanent on Oz but decided to come home last month to see how we felt before deciding what to do.
Finding settling back here quite hard and that's ignoring the weather- forgotten just how fed up SO MANY people look, how much more "in your face" the social problems that bedevil any big City (drink, drugs, crime generally) seem to be, also noticed how a service culture doesn't exist over here which isn't a major issue but it is very striking when you get back from Oz.
Now faced with the longer term choice of bringing kids up in Oz or the UK and balancing the benefits of having family close at hand (for us as parents but also for the kids themselves) or potentially giving the children a better education (maybe?) and certainly a better environment in which to grow up.
Be really interested to hear others views, especially around how they felt on returning to the UK and what choices were made and how its worked out. Also interested in views on education here and in Oz.
For what its worth, I hate people knocking the UK and also there was a lot about Brissy and Oz that frustrated me BUT the above is just an honest account of how it feels at the moment.
It really is down to what you and your family like doing together. You see our little girl is an 'outdoor type' rides twice a week, plays tennis and is heavily into gymnastics (not outdoors I know !) so we feel Oz will suit her.
We have 26 members of the family in Perth alone and she will have more cousins than she will know what to do with.
I get eaten alive by mozzies and am not a strong swimmer, but love the sun and get very SAD in winter, so not expecting it to be all plain sailing - but giving it a go. I'm looking forward to pushing myself to do things I wouldn't normally do. Learning to swim better would be a start !!
Hubs on the other hand is the regular 'Sport Billy' plays golf, sails, swims and looking to do his diving qualifications while out there (cousin has yacht and is a diving instructor)
I've moved alot anyway (Uk only) but have found you only really know if you like a place when you go back from wence you came. I've found that I have never settled when I have gone 'back' as it's always felt very strange. Everything has moved on without you and you seem in a time warp, but that's just me.
I fully expect that when our daughter reaches her teenage years she may have limited opportunity in Oz, but we can move on again. I'm not going to let what may or may not happen in the future stop us from doing what we feel is right now. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. My phylosophy is that I want to be an interesting Grandma with lots of tales to tell.
The very best of luck with whatever you decide.
Jill
Apr 17th 2004, 9:52 pm
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Re: back in the UK - this is how it feels
Originally posted by Go Banana's !!
Really hope it works out for you, must be quite stressful (understatement) because you really have both experiences to draw from, rather than the rest of us, who in the main, have only spent a short time in Oz.
It really is down to what you and your family like doing together. You see our little girl is an 'outdoor type' rides twice a week, plays tennis and is heavily into gymnastics (not outdoors I know !) so we feel Oz will suit her.
We have 26 members of the family in Perth alone and she will have more cousins than she will know what to do with.
I get eaten alive by mozzies and am not a strong swimmer, but love the sun and get very SAD in winter, so not expecting it to be all plain sailing - but giving it a go. I'm looking forward to pushing myself to do things I wouldn't normally do. Learning to swim better would be a start !!
Hubs on the other hand is the regular 'Sport Billy' plays golf, sails, swims and looking to do his diving qualifications while out there (cousin has yacht and is a diving instructor)
I've moved alot anyway (Uk only) but have found you only really know if you like a place when you go back from wence you came. I've found that I have never settled when I have gone 'back' as it's always felt very strange. Everything has moved on without you and you seem in a time warp, but that's just me.
I fully expect that when our daughter reaches her teenage years she may have limited opportunity in Oz, but we can move on again. I'm not going to let what may or may not happen in the future stop us from doing what we feel is right now. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. My phylosophy is that I want to be an interesting Grandma with lots of tales to tell.
The very best of luck with whatever you decide.
Jill
Really hope it works out for you, must be quite stressful (understatement) because you really have both experiences to draw from, rather than the rest of us, who in the main, have only spent a short time in Oz.
It really is down to what you and your family like doing together. You see our little girl is an 'outdoor type' rides twice a week, plays tennis and is heavily into gymnastics (not outdoors I know !) so we feel Oz will suit her.
We have 26 members of the family in Perth alone and she will have more cousins than she will know what to do with.
I get eaten alive by mozzies and am not a strong swimmer, but love the sun and get very SAD in winter, so not expecting it to be all plain sailing - but giving it a go. I'm looking forward to pushing myself to do things I wouldn't normally do. Learning to swim better would be a start !!
Hubs on the other hand is the regular 'Sport Billy' plays golf, sails, swims and looking to do his diving qualifications while out there (cousin has yacht and is a diving instructor)
I've moved alot anyway (Uk only) but have found you only really know if you like a place when you go back from wence you came. I've found that I have never settled when I have gone 'back' as it's always felt very strange. Everything has moved on without you and you seem in a time warp, but that's just me.
I fully expect that when our daughter reaches her teenage years she may have limited opportunity in Oz, but we can move on again. I'm not going to let what may or may not happen in the future stop us from doing what we feel is right now. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. My phylosophy is that I want to be an interesting Grandma with lots of tales to tell.
The very best of luck with whatever you decide.
Jill
I'm sure you will be very happy.
Apr 18th 2004, 12:47 am
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We have been back 18 days now and it feels like we have never been away. The people here are no different to Perth, here when it rains people moan, in Perth when its hot people moan. 
The balance of happy and miserable people is the same, walking around the supermarket the other day I made a consious effort to look at people and see if there was any difference, the only noticeable difference is people not wearing summer clothes.
Cost of living for us here is far cheaper, just let one of our houses to a guy from Brisbane, says he lives here because its cheaper and the money he saves here will pay for his retirement in Brisbane.
Coming back has given us a lot more choices in life which may not have happened had we never gone to Perth.
The weather here the last week has been drizzle and a few times I found myself thinking about the sun in Perth, traffic is busy, but driving standards far higher and driving is less stresfull.
The thing is I can now appreciate is why some people find Australia is right for them because as I have been out and about looking for various things I now take more notice of different areas and can see the appeal for open space etc.
For those that feel they should return due to homesickness, missing family etc. (we were never homesick) you will find after 5 days nothing has changed and its as if you were never away. Its good to see them again but thats about it. Its scary how some peoples lives do not change.
Donna is back at work and after 8 months off is finding it hard to get out of bed in the morning. for me staying in bed until 11am is not such an adjustment.
The things we find have changed for us is tele, we dont bother watching it now, where as before it probably ruled what we did, also we find we no longer have a need for flashy cars, where as before I liked a nice car loads of money sat on the drive depreciating, just went out and bought a 1990 Audi 100 2.3 auto with 58k on clock one owner £800 !! its immaculate.
So I guess the migration thing even when it does not work out can have a positive benefit. The biggest problem for Donna and myself is she wants to be settled for a while and ready for the off to places new. Not to live just to explore.
Biggest shock coming back here is house prices. The house we sold went up 40k in 7 months. :scared: :scared:
The balance of happy and miserable people is the same, walking around the supermarket the other day I made a consious effort to look at people and see if there was any difference, the only noticeable difference is people not wearing summer clothes.
Cost of living for us here is far cheaper, just let one of our houses to a guy from Brisbane, says he lives here because its cheaper and the money he saves here will pay for his retirement in Brisbane.
Coming back has given us a lot more choices in life which may not have happened had we never gone to Perth.
The weather here the last week has been drizzle and a few times I found myself thinking about the sun in Perth, traffic is busy, but driving standards far higher and driving is less stresfull.
The thing is I can now appreciate is why some people find Australia is right for them because as I have been out and about looking for various things I now take more notice of different areas and can see the appeal for open space etc.
For those that feel they should return due to homesickness, missing family etc. (we were never homesick) you will find after 5 days nothing has changed and its as if you were never away. Its good to see them again but thats about it. Its scary how some peoples lives do not change.
Donna is back at work and after 8 months off is finding it hard to get out of bed in the morning.
for me staying in bed until 11am is not such an adjustment.The things we find have changed for us is tele, we dont bother watching it now, where as before it probably ruled what we did, also we find we no longer have a need for flashy cars, where as before I liked a nice car loads of money sat on the drive depreciating, just went out and bought a 1990 Audi 100 2.3 auto with 58k on clock one owner £800 !! its immaculate.
So I guess the migration thing even when it does not work out can have a positive benefit. The biggest problem for Donna and myself is she wants to be settled for a while and ready for the off to places new. Not to live just to explore.
Biggest shock coming back here is house prices. The house we sold went up 40k in 7 months. :scared: :scared:
Apr 18th 2004, 6:09 am
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Re: back in the UK - this is how it feels
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MikeStanton
I don't know what line of work you're in. Work wise for us (I am a management consultant) - there is no comparison. UK and Europe offer many more opportunities to the professions - even doing your own thing.
We're in the same line of work - and I agree, even after 3 weeks back at work there's more challenging stuff to do and lots more work around at the moment too - from a professional point of view there is no comparison that's for sure.
I don't know what line of work you're in. Work wise for us (I am a management consultant) - there is no comparison. UK and Europe offer many more opportunities to the professions - even doing your own thing.
We're in the same line of work - and I agree, even after 3 weeks back at work there's more challenging stuff to do and lots more work around at the moment too - from a professional point of view there is no comparison that's for sure.
Apr 18th 2004, 6:14 am
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Originally posted by badgersmount
What a great post. There is alot of knocking of both countries on this forum, but in the end, you have to go to the country where the negatives FOR YOU are less....
I find that a laid back lifestyle makes up for a lot of the other evils that you would find anywhere in the world. There is crime etc everywhere, but in Australia, you get to do it against a "nicer" attitude and backdrop. Eg
I would rather be overcharged (example of something negative!) by a shop assistant who has at least been polite and helpful.
I would rather commute in a country where I am guaranteed a summer.
I would rather live in a house big enough for my entire growing family 1hr out from the city, than live in a terraced house in a nasty area, 1 hr from the city.
BM
What a great post. There is alot of knocking of both countries on this forum, but in the end, you have to go to the country where the negatives FOR YOU are less....
I find that a laid back lifestyle makes up for a lot of the other evils that you would find anywhere in the world. There is crime etc everywhere, but in Australia, you get to do it against a "nicer" attitude and backdrop. Eg
I would rather be overcharged (example of something negative!) by a shop assistant who has at least been polite and helpful.
I would rather commute in a country where I am guaranteed a summer.
I would rather live in a house big enough for my entire growing family 1hr out from the city, than live in a terraced house in a nasty area, 1 hr from the city.
BM
Apr 18th 2004, 6:45 am
#29
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Joined: Jan 2004
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Posts: 2,270
Originally posted by badgersmount
What a great post. There is alot of knocking of both countries on this forum, but in the end, you have to go to the country where the negatives FOR YOU are less....
I find that a laid back lifestyle makes up for a lot of the other evils that you would find anywhere in the world. There is crime etc everywhere, but in Australia, you get to do it against a "nicer" attitude and backdrop. Eg
I would rather be overcharged (example of something negative!) by a shop assistant who has at least been polite and helpful.
I would rather commute in a country where I am guaranteed a summer.
I would rather live in a house big enough for my entire growing family 1hr out from the city, than live in a terraced house in a nasty area, 1 hr from the city.
BM
What a great post. There is alot of knocking of both countries on this forum, but in the end, you have to go to the country where the negatives FOR YOU are less....
I find that a laid back lifestyle makes up for a lot of the other evils that you would find anywhere in the world. There is crime etc everywhere, but in Australia, you get to do it against a "nicer" attitude and backdrop. Eg
I would rather be overcharged (example of something negative!) by a shop assistant who has at least been polite and helpful.
I would rather commute in a country where I am guaranteed a summer.
I would rather live in a house big enough for my entire growing family 1hr out from the city, than live in a terraced house in a nasty area, 1 hr from the city.
BM
Anya (just call me a fatalist)
Apr 18th 2004, 6:56 am
#30
da Bonehead
Joined: Jan 2004
Location: Lion in da jungle
Posts: 22,767
Re: back in the UK - this is how it feels
Originally posted by MikeStanton
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