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Hav'nt been on this forum for a while. When I first discovered it about a year ago I had lived in Oz for about 4 years and could'nt believe the bullshit being spouted here. It was full of Ozzie migrant agents, people with web sites to promote basically talking rubbish or English dreamers.

Coming back tonight, there seems a lot more balance in here. There are still the hidden agenda mob, the defensive ozzie mob and the UK dreamers that are hoping Oz will be their land of milk and honey. But at least now there are people saying it the way it is. Good on all those people like Dotty, PB and Herman etc etc.

All those people in the UK dreaming of a better life should read their posts. Personally having lived here for 5 years now I would not trust an Ozzie/Kiwi when it comes to being honest about Australia/NZ they are completely blinkered and at the least have no idea about the English (believe me we speak the same language but we are very very different people) and so cannot speak for what we want or like unless you are prepared to become Australian and reprogram out your English upbringing. It goes without saying do not trust anyone with a hidden agenda like a migration agent. When it comes to living in Oz in fact trust nobody !!! if you want to just do it with an open mind.

But honestly despite maybe people not wanting to hear what these Brit posters with real life experience of the place have to say, in my humble opinion, they speak more truth than all the rest put together.

Remember though I come from the South of UK and only left because my wife is Oz and wanted to come home and I was open minded and fancied a change. Would'nt change a thing now but going back next year because working here is bullshit. If you come from a crap area in the UK and have plenty of cash then you will probably like it here but why not spend the cash moving somewhere better at home first. If you come from a good area of the UK and like England despite all it's problems then you probably wont last here. To survive here you need lots of cash because the material can go someway to compensate for all the other things you will miss i.e friends, family, green countryside, walks in the woods, choice, travel, holidays, quality newspapers etc etc etc and also compensate for what you have to put up with i.e. Ozzies and all their prejudices, anti-pom rhetoric, insular attitudes etc.

Ozzies talk a good game but its all hot air. The whole country come to think of it has been founded on convincing Europeans to come and live here but thank god for the internet so real people actually doing it can provide real insight. I think it is far better than getting the censored PR Ozzie view.

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Your entitled to your opinion I guess but I cannot understand how people can put the UK ahead of Aus. After living the last 4 years in London I can without a doubt say it is a total sesspit. Aus beats it in virtually every regard for me, the only good thing here the ability to make money but then again that money doesn't go very far in this being one of the most overpriced places in the entire world. I actually feel sorry for the losers living in this place, constantly stressed and all anyone cares about is money- for what- so they buy thier 2 bedroom terraced flat with no yard and commute 3 hours every day in gridlock traffic or shitty trains. I wont even start on the weather, public services and pollution. Looking forward to going back to Aus soon and enjoying the important things in life.

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Thanks Plucka
I liked yours better!

And yes- i am a dreamer. Better than being a negative ninny!

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"Who is tired of London, is tired of life"

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Clearly there are a lot of people here myself included who are tired of life then.......

London is a poo hole filled with tired miserable wage slaves (just look at the other faces on the tube) who have little or no time for anyone else and a me me me attitude. Living outside London but working there every day I feel the tension disappear as I get further away on my journey home every day. I leave my job at Canary Wharf where I have worked (amongst other areas in London) on and off for the last 15 years at the end of October and if I never have to come back to London again it will be too soon.

Other areas of the UK don't seem to be as bad as the Southeast but no one should confuse 'London' with 'the UK'

Yes the UK has good and bad points and I'm sure Oz has too but choices are up to the informed individual. Surely that's the reason for a forum - to invite discussion.

Yes, people are entitled to their own opinion and who is to say another individual is right or wrong?

Cheers,

MAX

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Perhaps life in London has slightly changed since 1777 and Dr Johnson?

It is simply pointless to argue whether the UK is better than Oz or the other way round. It is completely and utterly a matter of personal preference. Some people don't mind traffic jams, tube strikes... Some people wish to live closer to nature, in sunny weather and clear skies. Let them.. Just live and let live and try not to spoil it for everybody else!

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That may have been true in 1770 but times have changed!
Personally if I had the money I could live almost anywhere, with a few exeptions e.g Chechnya, Algiers and Kabul spring to mind. However we have made the informed decision to try Australia,so that's where we're going!!
Susan

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One my South African friends here summed it up yesterday when he said "there are two completely different countries in England - London and the rest." Quite right, London is hell on earth, but that does not apply the whole of England.

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Sounds like you are a bit of a failure , has anyone explained to you it is possible to earn a living outside of the south east of UK? forget the some of the misfits on this forum ,Australia is their only hope God help them.
I used to travel 7mins to work had a 3bed 2 bath detached house with garage set in the country side next to fields .
The only loser seems to be you to live in the south east requires more get and go then you have , some of the richest people on the planet have homes in London they find it okay , maybe you are right come and live in some faceless suburb in Australia and rot.

:D :beer:

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Here, here :)
I'm fed up of people comparing the UK, only to be comparing London with Australia.Just one city/part of the UK.
London is disliked by hell of a lot of British people too. I personally hate London, I find it expensive, busy, and a lot of the people there are rude and unfriendly.There's no way I could live in London either.

I always tell people who are planning a trip to see Britain, get out of London.. and don't take London as Britain, Go to cornwall, go to Wales, go anywhere, but don't just sit in London for your visit, and think the whole of the UK is like that, or you'll get the wrong impression of Britain.

cheers :)

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A failure? I think not loser. I was just giving my opinion on London. The reason I've lived here for the last 4 years is because this is where the jobs are in my field. Even though London is a hole to live in I've actually made the best of my time here and enjoyed the vast majority of it making friends here and travelling around Europe. Most importantly though I've made some very nice money and thanks to the lovely exchange rate I will be going back to Aus next year loaded and will enjoy a lifestyle 99% of poms can only dream of. Now compare that to you my friend, it is almost the opposite. You came to Aus, made no friends, hated every minute and are now going home virtually pennyless (again thanks to the lovely exchange rate), bitter and generally very sad. I am glad you had a nice home many years ago, tell me have you any idea what has happened to housing prices in the last few years in the UK? I sure you know they have doubled or even trippled. What kind of house are you going to buy here considering that your going to get 1 Pound for every $3's? Thats right, I can understand now why you are so angry and bitter, it's because you going back home a loser, again the exact opposite to me.
So I ask you again- who is the failure? heheheheheh

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You are right is some sense but at the end of the day the SE is where the action is. From my experiences the rest of the UK is nice for a weekend away but for the most part are on the decline. Also problems like crime, overcrowding, pollution and pathetic pubic services like health and education are a UK wide problem. And of course you still need to very rich to own any kind of a decent house (by aussie standards) anywhere in pommyland. I wont even mention the climate.

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Love it LOL- GO BOY GO!!!!!!


A failure? I think not loser. I was just giving my opinion on London. The reason I've lived here for the last 4 years is because this is where the jobs are in my field. Even though London is a hole to live in I've actually made the best of my time here and enjoyed the vast majority of it making friends here and travelling around Europe. Most importantly though I've made some very nice money and thanks to the lovely exchange rate I will be going back to Aus next year loaded and will enjoy a lifestyle 99% of poms can only dream of. Now compare that to you my friend, it is almost the opposite. You came to Aus, made no friends, hated every minute and are now going home virtually pennyless (again thanks to the lovely exchange rate), bitter and generally very sad. I am glad you had a nice home many years ago, tell me have you any idea what has happened to housing prices in the last few years in the UK? I sure you know they have doubled or even trippled. What kind of house are you going to buy here considering that your going to get 1 Pound for every $3's? Thats right, I can understand now why you are so angry and bitter, it's because you going back home a loser, again the exact opposite to me.
So I ask you again- who is the failure? heheheheheh [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

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God have you got it wrong , still sounds like you failed in UK and will fail in Australia or why leave either?
Bitter no way living in a second rate country was fun ,but time to get back to a place people have drive its like living in a bubble here going backward gets boring.
I know what I can afford in UK and where to live also have had job offers already on far more money than here so no worries for me pal how about yourself?
Come back to the arse end of the world and rot it all you are fit for.:D :beer:

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As a final note if there is one thing I can about the difference's between the UK and Aus is this: litter.

Almost everywhere I go in England I see rubbish, on the streets, the trains, parks peoples own houses. Even though there is an army of street cleaners opertaing 24/7 the problem never goes away, why- because people here just don't give a shit. They whinge how grubby their town is and then 5 minutes later dicard their litter on the street without a 2nd thought. Couldn't be more different than Aus- the vast majority of people don't litter, its because we are bought up to have pride in our country. Those that do litter are immediatley given dirty looks by everyone around them, hence our cities are clean. We even have national clean-up days and the like. To me this sums up everything- UK- lazy, no pride, dont give a shit about anything but themselves. Aus- proud of our country, make a small effort to get good results, bringing our childern up with respect.

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You are definately a little slow arnt you. How can I be a failure when I've had a great time, progressed my career and made loads of money?

Seen the exhange rate recently loser? almost 3 to 1- music to my ears but boy it must hurt you eh? ehheheheheheheeh. Enjoy your shitty terraced house, :)

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Yes agree with you London has this problem too many Aussies , who live like this in there own homes if you want to a shite hole visit a Aussie home.Aussie kids with respect now you talking shite , they have to drug the little darlings up to behave:D :beer:

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Where have you gone PB- cant take the pace anymore???????Found that there's only so many times that you can repeat yourself???

Lalalalallaalalalalalalala

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Not at all if it was 10 to one I would be even more keen to get out what will this country be like soon just another 3rd world want to be.:D :beer:

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Yeah the guys totally lost it. The thing is I still cant figure the guy out, is he:

A) Just doing this for a wind-up. You know the kind- they visit forums and like to start arguments because that is the only social interaction and attention these sad people can get.

or

B) Is he actually as pathetic, sad and bitter as he comes across. I tend to think it's A because surely no-one could be this sad.

Either way every post of his brings a smile to my face because his situation is almost an exact opposite to mine and it reminds me how great my life is.

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What living in the UK get a grip?:D

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Funny that you mention the future of the country. What was England like 200 years ago? It ruled the bloody planet, look at it now, been on the decline ever since. When I look around England I often think I'm living in the 50's because nothing has progressed since then. At least 200 years ago they knew how to build decent buildings. Now look at Aus, in that short time we have done nothing but move forward. We already have a better lifestyle, only a matter of time before we surpass you economically. Thats the difference between a forward looking progressive country and one on the decline. I know which one I want to be living in and very glad tossers like yourself are going back to where they belong.

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Must go keep up the good work , little fishes always bite on the bait.:D

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Yes thats right, Like I said before I've made the most of my time here and unlike you am not sad and bitter (ie a failure). I've milked this country of enough cash so its time to go back and enjoy the goodlife. Why do I have to keep repeating myself to you? I know the UK education system is shite now but I didn't realise it was as bad back when you were in school, of course assuming you went to one.

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hehe, so thats it then PB, the answer is A, knew I was right. So that confirms all you've said is bullshit, your probably not even living in Australia are you? Your probably just some sad little fat bald git sitting in his little studio appartment is some shitty little English town who's only life is that on forums winding people up. You are truely pathetic.

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Yeah McDonalds are always looking for people over here so you should be fine. Better brush up on your people skills a bit though.

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Agreed, that is London's one failing - two many annoying Aussies!

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Wihtout us "annoying Aussies" over here the UK would collapse even faster. Where do you think half the IT, nurses and teachers come from- to fill jobs that you lot cant handle.

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some of the richest people on the planet have homes in London they find it okay ,



>> Madonna sees the light <<
Star finally realises that London is vile

Madonna was recently in Los Angeles, where she
was overheard talking to Alex Keshishian,
director of In Bed With Madonna.

She was saying "Why the ***** are we still
living in a shithole like London when we
could be here?"

You have to admit, it's a fair question.

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Yeah, true there wouldn't anyone willing to work in the bars for £4/hr!! or as a nurse on £14k/yr

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:)

can buy a house next to the sea in south wales, for 60 grand...gower, bungalow from say 55 . A nice house would cost you 80 to 100 grand (pounds).
cheaper than australia.

Without "slagging" off Australia too much... it's the worst mistake I've ever made, and I travel, I came to Australia with my job, lived in asia , before Oz., then moved.. I go with the company...

But to be honest with you Australia really is the worst country I have ever had the pleasure of living in, my opinion. Where do I start??
cheers:)

P.S

"let them find out for themselves.... "
It's funny really people arguing with PB , or whoever.

PB... let them find out for themselves..... you are not going to win... seriously let them find out Australia for themselves... then say "I told you so" :)..

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I'm absolutely amazed at the way you all slag off London- in my opinion ( and having lived there for 4 years) London is one of the most exciting cities anywhere. The one thing you always know about London is that it will surprise you. Where else in the world can you find the history, entertainment, architecture, markets and multicultural melange that exists in London? Every time I go there I get excited at the thought of finding something new and I am contemplating moving to Oz? mmmmmmm -am starting to wonder these days. The truth is that living in London on a poor salary is probably crap and yes, commuting is crap but you don't have to live there to work there. I suspect that if you really hate London it's because you have lost sight of the great city it is- the city beyond trains/ tubes and getting to work.You only have to walk around looking upwards to fill days!! If you really hate it you are probably a country person and would be better off in Oz. I can see criticising the UK for many things ( and by the way our education system is still reckoned to be one of the best in the world even if it does get full on media attention- students from the UK consistently achieve highly when compared to many other countries). However I thinkall the ' grass is geener' brigade on this site should start to look at why they are emigrating. Are you soooooo sure that Oz offers a better life? On the outdoors/ sport/ weather issues I'm sure it does but you only have to live in Sydney for a few weeks to know that for culture/ history and entertainment there is no way that it stacks up against the UK.

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[QUOTE][SIZE=1]Originally posted by plucka:



>>>>

Seen the exhange rate recently loser? almost 3 to 1- music to my ears but boy it must hurt you eh? <<<<<

This post is amazing, surely if you are planning to return to Australia, then arn't you the one with egg on your face dollar wise. After all you are the one who will be earning the Cr*p currency?

Also if Australia is so great!! why the heck does it have a currency that is about as valuable as slightly used totty paper?

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Plucka, how long since you were in Aus. Currently in Brisbane the garbos are on strike, streets have a very definate whiff about them. Lovely squirmy maggotts crawling out of bins everywhere.

Clean up days, OK if Aussies dont litter then why do they need brigades of people on clean up days to pick up thousands of tons of rubbish? How did it get there then?

How do most bush fires here start, by idiots chucking their Fag Ends out of car windows, that must really be caring about Australia.

As for Sydney and Melbourne, drive around at 1am and you will see grottier places than you can imagine, we saw stuff that made Camden Town look serene.

Be fair to the people immigrating here and stop making out Australia is a Soap Powder Ad.

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Sorry had to rush off and leave to talk bollocks on your own on Friday, but happy hour at the GBT in Joondalup was more important Brit beer at $4.0 a pint nearly as good as UK.
Great Britian is a member of the G8 the most powerful club in the world today the members of this club run the world, where as Australia is a country of hole diggers big deal.
I came to Aussie for a change of weather got that and little else.You went to UK as a an economic refugee fleeing from crap wages and poor jobs be thankful they would have you.
Come back to the arse end of the World and rot with your half wit pals down here. Good Luck you will need it:D :beer:

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Just for the record PB and to put this silly argument in perspective, I'd be surprised if GB had a significantly higher GNP than California. ANYWAY this selection from your last post pretty much encapsulates what is becoming tedious, and no doubt negative for prospective migrants, about this forum. Prospective migrants need to get beneath some of the petty personal rubbish espoused on this site and decide what's right for them.

There are things that are better about the UK and things that are better about OZ. At the end of the day each person has to make up their own mind as to what is most important for them. For me, I've just been for a walk on the beach (Perth) in beautiful sunshine with a gentle breeze - I can't do this in London. Conversely I can't go and see world class (West End) theatre in Perth. I prefer the former, that doesn't make London a sh*t place. For *me* on that score, then, Perth is a better place to live.

Like sport, outdoor lifestyle, laid back attitude, friendly locals - you'd probably love Perth. Aversion or indifference to those factors and a slightly insular/parochial attitude, prefer easy travel to a variety of sophisticated continental cultures, great media, a fantastic large city buzz - well then don't come here because you'll find the former not the latter and disappointment will be inevitable.

Perhaps at the end of the day it comes down to economics. I can't speak for others, and PB clearly feels differently, but for us the cost of living is way lower here (or alternatively the standard is higher). We can live on a single salary in Perth at virtually the same lifestyle as we had in the UK on 2 (We were in the S.E. let it be said). That's great for us, but perhaps if you're earning 80k or more in the UK coming here is not a great move. I am sure it also depends on what you spend your money on. We're not interested in the latest Beamer/Merc/Porsche......if you are, stay away.

I am also somewhat mystified by this fixation with the exchange rate. We came and intend to stay in Oz permanently - if we can't afford to buy a house in the UK in 5 years time so what? If that's such a big problem for others, get one there before you leave (or don't leave). Personally I have no doubt that when you've got nothing to go back to, you far more likely to try harder in whatever new country you go to rather than 'running' home at the first sign of any difficulty.

Finally, do you homework. This forum only represents a small minority of people who migrate every year (and /or contribute to the discussion) . In statistical terms we are in such a skewed distribution that we could not even begin to be considered representative. It might not be all roses, but what the heck, you've only got one life take a chance if it doesn't work at least your life will be enriched by the experience.

DPR

PS Just for the record, I am a physiotherapist and not a well-heeled IT boffin

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I am sure you are better off in Australia seeing that what you do is very well paid , most here earn less than $16 an hour if they are lucky, min wage is $8 per hour and thats all some get.
Costs are related to what you earn , a lot of Poms feel well off when they first get here thanks to the money they bought with them , then down the track the true cost of living here kicks in.
Debt is far higher here than UK , I would say that most soon find they have less disposable income than they had in UK.
Great Britian has the Worlds 4th largest economy this is why its in G8 ,to join this club you need to be in the top 8 World wide , wheres Australia?



:D

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You have totally missed the point of my last post. I am well aware of what and who the G8 nations are. However you need to get some perspective and consider how it is all relative anyway. Comparing the GNP of Oz to the UK is the 'same' as comparing the UK's GNP to that of the US. As I said earlier, and repeat here, I doubt that the GNP of the UK is significantly larger than that of (at max) a few multiples of California ALONE. So if you really want to start talking economics, much as I hate to admit it, the US runs the show and the rest of us are dragged along in the wake (whether members of the G8 or not).

DPR

PS send me some Guinness please

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Where as I agree about America runing the show , but its better to be in pack than outside of it ,some input is better than none.
Australia is a want to be , hanging on to America shirt tails cost it dear at the weekend.
Even though UK is Americas biggest ally its power lays in the EEC , and could get by without USA .Best Wishes
:D:beer:

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PB- why did you decide to emigrate. I have to say that what DPR says about what he considers is a good standard of living- clean air, a walk on the beach, living on 1 rather than 2 wages are some of the main reasons we are going. I would love to say that i will miss the culture, history and theatre etc but in reality, like most British people, we aspire to be cultured but rarely get off our bums to go to these places (the last thing i saw at the theatre was Noddy).
I would love to know what dreams you had when you left the UK. It is a shame it hasnt worked for you as it must be awful to admit defeat, especially when so many people love it there and settle forever. I guess you can at least admit you've failed and go back to the UK with your head held high. Most people wouldnt have the balls to do what you have done and at least give it a go. I only hope your children will thank you for it when they are back there./ I never forgave my parents for bringing me back to this hell hole of a country.