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paulry Sep 15th 2013 12:01 am

Aussie population stats
 
Unless my calculator is broken this means that Australia's annual population growth is about 394200. That's a lot. :blink:

roaringmouse Sep 15th 2013 4:00 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10901741)
Unless my calculator is broken this means that Australia's annual population growth is about 394200. That's a lot. :blink:

The recent election will turn that around - no one will want to come to a country run by Abbott.

Dreamy Sep 15th 2013 9:20 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10901741)
Unless my calculator is broken this means that Australia's annual population growth is about 394200. That's a lot. :blink:

Just under 2% growth? I don't know how that equates to other countries to be honest.

the troubadour Sep 15th 2013 11:11 am

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Australia's population growth is high by developed world status. A lot of this gain is through immigration.

Sadly infrastructure is failing badly to keep up with the increases over recent years.

Immigration has changed over the years with falling UK numbers in percentage terms and the financial year just passed in raw numbers.

the troubadour Sep 15th 2013 11:15 am

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Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 10901944)
The recent election will turn that around - no one will want to come to a country run by Abbott.

Possibly, but no bad thing having a breather. All vert well storing up the property market but build the infrastructure first.

Smaller population countries tend to be happier anyway. Constant rapid growth will impact in the negative to us all at some stage. Already happening on the roads and in the hospitals.

moneypenny20 Sep 15th 2013 12:30 pm

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Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 10902357)
Australia's population growth is high by developed world status. A lot of this gain is through immigration.

Sadly infrastructure is failing badly to keep up with the increases over recent years.

Immigration has changed over the years with falling UK numbers in percentage terms and the financial year just passed in raw numbers.

Do UK numbers have that much impact? I'd have thought Sub Continent/Asian countries would have higher numbers these days.

Amazulu Sep 15th 2013 1:15 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10901741)
Unless my calculator is broken this means that Australia's annual population growth is about 394200. That's a lot. :blink:

Sounds about right - 1m every 2-3 years is what I read recently

The more the merrier

the troubadour Sep 15th 2013 1:36 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 10902419)
Do UK numbers have that much impact? I'd have thought Sub Continent/Asian countries would have higher numbers these days.

UK numbers have declined but still in fourth position. Yes India is top providing over 40,000 immigrants last year followed by China and New Zealand. It's not the country of origin as a greater diversity is a good thing. Just the numbers have gone ahead of the infrastructure. Pleases landlords no doubt.

Beoz Sep 15th 2013 9:15 pm

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Indians and Chinese don't rent. They buy

Bix Sep 15th 2013 9:57 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10901741)
Unless my calculator is broken this means that Australia's annual population growth is about 394200. That's a lot. :blink:

I wonder what percentage are taxi drivers?

Bix Sep 15th 2013 10:04 pm

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Population growth; the biggest threat to the planet.

Watch it happening here

Hover over a country to see its stats.

paulry Sep 15th 2013 10:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Bix (Post 10902801)
Population growth; the biggest threat to the planet.

Watch it happening here

Hover over a country to see its stats.

Yeah, all the talk about climate change and nothing about population growth. Even the so called Greens are silent about it :thumbdown:

Some interesting figures. Compare Australia with Somalia. +/- half our population but the same death rate as ours and twice our birth rate.

OzTennis Sep 15th 2013 10:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Bix (Post 10902792)
I wonder what percentage are taxi drivers?

I wonder what % are taxi drivers with degrees? :D

Australia conducts a census every 5 years; UK every 10 years.

It is believed that the real population of the UK is far in excess of the official figure. eg Tesco claim from their copious records kept via Clubcard that the real figure is closer to 80 million.

Melbourne's population is rising by just under 80,000 p.a. on latest figures.

Interesting stats here:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/02key.htm

Migration program is making a smaller contribution to Australia's population latterly than in the past eg graph at bottom shows much higher levels in % terms in 70's than now.

UK now 3rd leading source, down 30% for latest year.

And so and so forth.:)

Bix Sep 15th 2013 11:09 pm

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Would be interested to see from what descent the domestic increase has come from.

Will also be interesting to see whether the reduced baby bonus slows down the domestic rate.

Actually I wonder if the new government will scrap it.

OzTennis Sep 15th 2013 11:20 pm

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Originally Posted by Bix (Post 10902871)
Would be interested to see from what descent the domestic increase has come from.

Will also be interesting to see whether the reduced baby bonus slows down the domestic rate.

Actually I wonder if the new government will scrap it.

I have a feeling that people of Asian and Middle Eastern extraction breed faster than WASPs! ;)

They also breed faster in Qld, WA and ACT:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]?OpenDocument

Wol Sep 15th 2013 11:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Bix (Post 10902801)
Population growth; the biggest threat to the planet.

Watch it happening here

Hover over a country to see its stats.

That's the fundamental reason no climate change initiative is ever going to work. You cannot run up to the top of the "down" escalator - you have to press the "stop" button first.

roaringmouse Sep 16th 2013 1:02 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10902837)
Yeah, all the talk about climate change and nothing about population growth. Even the so called Greens are silent about it :thumbdown:

That's not what this Greens policy says.

Originally Posted by Bix (Post 10902871)
Will also be interesting to see whether the reduced baby bonus slows down the domestic rate.

Actually I wonder if the new government will scrap it.

Abbott scrap a Howard government policy? Does he have the balls to do that?.. maybe if he can scrape through his parental leave, although that has the potential of leading to a double dissolution depending on who ends up in the Senate.

The Labor party partially scrapped it via their parental leave scheme, so those who are able to and choose to receive that do not get the baby bonus payment - and also those on a certain salary or higher cannot receive baby bonus.

the troubadour Sep 16th 2013 1:14 am

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Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 10902855)
I wonder what % are taxi drivers with degrees? :D

Australia conducts a census every 5 years; UK every 10 years.

It is believed that the real population of the UK is far in excess of the official figure. eg Tesco claim from their copious records kept via Clubcard that the real figure is closer to 80 million.

Melbourne's population is rising by just under 80,000 p.a. on latest figures.

Interesting stats here:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/02key.htm

Migration program is making a smaller contribution to Australia's population latterly than in the past eg graph at bottom shows much higher levels in % terms in 70's than now.

UK now 3rd leading source, down 30% for latest year.

And so and so forth.:)

UK is fourth if New Zealand is taken into account. Although not counted on the official stats, but as a different entry they still provided around 26,000 people last financial year. UK only 21,711...Both countries had a falling rate.

Migration levels were similar to recent years in the 70's but the population overall much far smaller.

the troubadour Sep 16th 2013 1:21 am

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Originally Posted by Bix (Post 10902801)
Population growth; the biggest threat to the planet.

Watch it happening here

Hover over a country to see its stats.

I don't see too many countries benefiting by having large populations. It impacts on services although does create demand. But demand in every sense. Australia needs to think beyond immigration as a source for growth.

Interesting the recent survey on Happiness in the world all the smaller populated countries came out on top.
Denmark led the way followed by Norway, Switzerland, Netherlands, Sweden, Canada, Finland and Australia came in at tenth.
Definitely suggests something about small populated countries.

paulry Sep 16th 2013 3:11 am

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Originally Posted by Wol (Post 10902907)
That's the fundamental reason no climate change initiative is ever going to work. You cannot run up to the top of the "down" escalator - you have to press the "stop" button first.

A good analogy

paulry Sep 16th 2013 3:33 am

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Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 10903040)
That's not what this Greens policy

It's buried deep in the website. It should be at the top of the home page and be unambiguously stated. Without it as their number one priority, the greens show themselves to be a bit of a fraud, imo

The UK Green Party's "take" on it is more coherently stated and can be reached in 3 clicks: http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/pp. Overall, the UK lot look like a better bunch with better policies. Interesting how they enjoy far less exposure over there than the greens do here.

roaringmouse Sep 16th 2013 4:08 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10903313)
It's buried deep in the website. It should be at the top of the home page and be unambiguously stated. Without it as their number one priority, the greens show themselves to be a bit of a fraud, imo

The UK Green Party's "take" on it is more coherently stated and can be reached in 3 clicks: http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/pp. Overall, the UK lot look like a better bunch with better policies. Interesting how they enjoy far less exposure over there than the greens do here.

I'm struggling to get to that page within 3 clicks from www.greenparty.org.uk - the obvious link to use is Policy, but on that page I wouldn't know where to go. What were your 3 clicks?

Anyway, I don't think it's such a big issue as some make out.

paulry Sep 16th 2013 4:22 am

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Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 10903392)
I'm struggling to get to that page within 3 clicks from www.greenparty.org.uk - the obvious link to use is Policy, but on that page I wouldn't know where to go. What were your 3 clicks?

Policy -> Policy Website -> Population


Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 10903392)
Anyway, I don't think it's such a big issue as some make out.

You mean population?

roaringmouse Sep 16th 2013 7:14 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10903413)

Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 10903392)
I'm struggling to get to that page within 3 clicks from www.greenparty.org.uk - the obvious link to use is Policy, but on that page I wouldn't know where to go. What were your 3 clicks?

Policy -> Policy Website -> Population

That's buried deep in the Policy page - I didn't even notice it with it so far down on a text heavy page. Neither clear nor easy to get to - also a little odd to have a separate website for policy, you would expect the information on that to be on the one website under the policy link.

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10903413)

Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 10903392)
Anyway, I don't think it's such a big issue as some make out.

You mean population?

Global population, yes.

paulry Sep 16th 2013 9:38 am

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Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 10903685)
That's buried deep in the Policy page - I didn't even notice it with it so far down on a text heavy page. Neither clear nor easy to get to - also a little odd to have a separate website for policy, you would expect the information on that to be on the one website under the policy link.

Agreed, it's also not that immediate and the two policy links suggest poor website design. But better than the site for Australian Greens because when you finally get to the information it has the flaws I mentioned. In addition, the Aussie Greens environmental facade is just a front for extreme left wing politics. What a shame.


Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 10903685)
Global population, yes.

I disagree. Present day global population growth represents the greatest threat to humanity.

OzTennis Sep 16th 2013 7:43 pm

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Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 10903066)
UK is fourth if New Zealand is taken into account. Although not counted on the official stats, but as a different entry they still provided around 26,000 people last financial year. UK only 21,711...Both countries had a falling rate.

Migration levels were similar to recent years in the 70's but the population overall much far smaller.

Well, not important but - immi.gov.au source I quoted clearly says NZ 1st, China 2nd, UK 3rd and India 4th slightly behind (10,944 vs 10,566) - settler arrivals by country of birth for y/e 6/11, the latest for which they have stats.:)

OzTennis Sep 16th 2013 7:45 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10903894)
Agreed, it's also not that immediate and the two policy links suggest poor website design. But better than the site for Australian Greens because when you finally get to the information it has the flaws I mentioned. In addition, the Aussie Greens environmental facade is just a front for extreme left wing politics. What a shame.


I disagree. Present day global population growth represents the greatest threat to humanity.

It seems to me that humanity represents the greatest threat to humanity. ;) Whether that's because there's too many of humanity, humanity is growing too fast or there are too many variations of humanity (and beliefs) is another matter. ;)

Beoz Sep 16th 2013 7:46 pm

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Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 10904417)
Well, not important but - immi.gov.au source I quoted clearly says NZ 1st, China 2nd, UK 3rd and India 4th slightly behind (10,944 vs 10,566) - settler arrivals by country of birth for y/e 6/11, the latest for which they have stats.:)

Is there anyone left in New Zealand?

Beaverstate Sep 16th 2013 8:05 pm

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Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 10903090)
I don't see too many countries benefiting by having large populations. It impacts on services although does create demand. But demand in every sense. Australia needs to think beyond immigration as a source for growth.

Interesting the recent survey on Happiness in the world all the smaller populated countries came out on top.
Denmark led the way followed by Norway, Switzerland, Netherlands, Sweden, Canada, Finland and Australia came in at tenth.
Definitely suggests something about small populated countries.

On the happiness survey you can't even remotely compare Denmark with Australia or Canada. Denmark has 129.5 people per sq. KM. Australia 2.9 per and Canada 3.75 per. The only reason Denmark is a smaller populated country is because it is tiny, not a lesser populated area.

chris955 Sep 16th 2013 8:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Beaverstate (Post 10904446)
On the happiness survey you can't even remotely compare Denmark with Australia or Canada. Denmark has 129.5 people per sq. KM. Australia 2.9 per and Canada 3.75 per. The only reason Denmark is a smaller populated country is because it is tiny, not a lesser populated area.

So actually being less populated doesnt equate to happiness then?

Beaverstate Sep 16th 2013 8:19 pm

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Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 10904456)
So actually being less populated doesnt equate to happiness then?

That wasn't my point, many factors play into the hypothetical 'happiness' of a country.:nod:

chris955 Sep 16th 2013 8:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Beaverstate (Post 10904469)
That wasn't my point, many factors play into the hypothetical 'happiness' of a country.:nod:

No I understand that wasnt what you were saying and I totally agree. Im not even sure how they rate the happiness of a country. Also the population density of many countries seems artificially low because only a tiny part of a huge land mass is actually lived in.

Bix Sep 16th 2013 10:35 pm

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Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 10904420)
It seems to me that humanity represents the greatest threat to humanity. ;) Whether that's because there's too many of humanity, humanity is growing too fast or there are too many variations of humanity (and beliefs) is another matter. ;)

Yes, which is of course just saying the population is the greatest threat to the population.

Ironically it's the variations (and beliefs) that have helped to somewhat contain the population to date.

paulry Sep 16th 2013 10:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Bix (Post 10902792)
I wonder what percentage are taxi drivers?

And what percentage of those are computer programmers?

Beoz Sep 16th 2013 10:40 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10904598)
And what percentage of those are computer programmers?

Probably very few. No point paying them an aussie salary when you can pay them an indian one.

paulry Sep 16th 2013 10:45 pm

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Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 10902472)
UK numbers have declined but still in fourth position. Yes India is top providing over 40,000 immigrants last year followed by China and New Zealand. It's not the country of origin as a greater diversity is a good thing. Just the numbers have gone ahead of the infrastructure. Pleases landlords no doubt.

Would be interesting to see further drill downs in terms of migration streams (skilled, family reunion, investor, etc) and well as percentages by age groups, etc. I bet the data can reveal some fascinating trends and insights.

Bix Sep 16th 2013 10:51 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10904607)
Would be interesting to see further drill downs in terms of migration streams (skilled, family reunion, investor, etc) and well as percentages by age groups, etc. I bet the data can reveal some fascinating trends and insights.

Gillard was probably encouraging an increase in Chinese and Indian immigrants as a way of reducing CO2 emissions.

the troubadour Sep 17th 2013 11:44 am

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Originally Posted by Beaverstate (Post 10904469)
That wasn't my point, many factors play into the hypothetical 'happiness' of a country.:nod:

With the survey in question it tends to out line, smaller populated countries with good social systems in place.

the troubadour Sep 17th 2013 11:46 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10904607)
Would be interesting to see further drill downs in terms of migration streams (skilled, family reunion, investor, etc) and well as percentages by age groups, etc. I bet the data can reveal some fascinating trends and insights.

Those figures are easily obtained. Australia is very good at producing clear and concise stats.

paulry Sep 23rd 2013 9:59 am

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Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 10905789)
Those figures are easily obtained. Australia is very good at producing clear and concise stats.

Will have to do a bit of searching....


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