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Asylum seekers
its a fact the area i live in in the south east of England is so bad there has been 4 stabings and one murder this week
thats worse than any part in london and all down to Asylum Seekers carnt wait till i go to Perth it carnt be as bad as were im living now |
Well, that post should keep the likes of PB going for a while tonight......I'll check back tomorrow and see what words of wisdom have turned up........
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well this is going to be a tough nut for PB to crack..
does he admit that england is as violent as perth..? -esp as he's on his way home soon... or does he just point out that australia is far more dangerous % wise than england..? and post some violent crime via 'the age'? or does he intimate that the poster is just deluding him/herself into thinking that australia is 'safer'...? and point out such dreamers ala 'home and away' types are always chewed up and spat out by australia because fresh off the boat they leave their cars/house unlocked ...? or maybe that as the poster has an obvious racist tendancy the will fit in australia 'just right mate'?? yes poor old PB -i don't envy him this one..;-) cheers richard |
ah the poor old assylum seekers -blamed for everything from murder to eating the queens swans
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Heard about that one - what does swan taste like anyway?!!
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A bit like chicken?
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Now how did I know that someone would say that!:) :)
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What can I say, if there is an obvious punch line there, I will be the one to blurt it out rather than sit a chortle quietly to myelf.
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The only question was who would come out with the punch line
first! Wonder if the Aussie Black Swans taste like chicken too? Are they also protected like the British ones, as property of the Queen - its a serious offence here to kill a swan (asylum seeker or not) - and I think it still counts as treason. |
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Originally posted by bussie its a fact the area i live in in the south east of England is so bad there has been 4 stabings and one murder this week thats worse than any part in london and all down to Asylum Seekers carnt wait till i go to Perth it carnt be as bad as were im living now :D :cool: :beer: |
Originally posted by r.bartlett well this is going to be a tough nut for PB to crack.. does he admit that england is as violent as perth..? -esp as he's on his way home soon... or does he just point out that australia is far more dangerous % wise than england..? and post some violent crime via 'the age'? or does he intimate that the poster is just deluding him/herself into thinking that australia is 'safer'...? and point out such dreamers ala 'home and away' types are always chewed up and spat out by australia because fresh off the boat they leave their cars/house unlocked ...? or maybe that as the poster has an obvious racist tendancy the will fit in australia 'just right mate'?? yes poor old PB -i don't envy him this one..;-) cheers richard Perth is the break-in capital of Australia why because the fact 28% of locals have or do use drugs. The local Vietnamese drug gangs sharpened their teeth on the Yanks , Aussies are easy. Bad blood sparked 3 killings A TEENAGER tried in vain to save his cousin's life when they jumped into the Yarra to flee a sword-wielding mob, a court heard yesterday. John Huynh's older brother, James, was hacked to death by the group as he and his cousins took to the icy water on July 8 last year. His cousins, Nam Huynh, 21, and Viet Huynh, 25, drowned as their pursuers stood on the riverbank holding swords, Melbourne Magistrates' Court heard. http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...5E2862,00.html :cool: :beer: |
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Originally posted by bussie its a fact the area i live in in the south east of England is so bad there has been 4 stabings and one murder this week thats worse than any part in london and all down to Asylum Seekers carnt wait till i go to Perth it carnt be as bad as were im living now Sincerely, good luck. |
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Originally posted by bussie its a fact the area i live in in the south east of England is so bad there has been 4 stabings and one murder this week thats worse than any part in london and all down to Asylum Seekers carnt wait till i go to Perth it carnt be as bad as were im living now If you have not been to OZ perhaps some of the Ozzie newspaper websites will help. www.theaustralian.com.au is a nice start. |
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Originally posted by bussie its a fact the area i live in in the south east of England is so bad there has been 4 stabings and one murder this week thats worse than any part in london and all down to Asylum Seekers carnt wait till i go to Perth it carnt be as bad as were im living now Arrrrrrgh, I have to go bite something or other. :mad: |
Re: Asylum seekers
Originally posted by bussie its a fact the area i live in in the south east of England is so bad there has been 4 stabings and one murder this week thats worse than any part in london and all down to Asylum Seekers carnt wait till i go to Perth it carnt be as bad as were im living now Well aren't you lucky you've never been in a position where you've been a refugee ? It's totally wrong to judge a group of people 'en bloc'. Imagine if all the crime in Perth were being blamed on the influx of Brits and South Africans there ? :lecture: |
Bussie,
Also moving to Perth, but it may not be as safe as we'd like to think. England and Wales have the second highest number of crime victims in the western world, according to a major international survey. The 2000 International Crime Victims Survey, compiled by academics in the Netherlands, said 26% of people in England and Wales were victims of crime during 1999. Only Australia had a higher figure at 30% while Scotland was far lower on 23% and Northern Ireland the lowest western nation surveyed on 15%. The United States didn't even make the 'top 10' list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime. Since Australia banned private ownership of most guns in 1996, crime has risen dramatically. This advice is offered: "The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that Australia actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him a Foster's, and tell him the facts." |
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Originally posted by Wilf Have no fear, bwussie, there are plenty of asylum seekers - such as poms for example - downunder, so you will find a continuity of life that will be a great comfort when you are hiding under your duvet. There are peoples of all nations in Oz and most of them are worth more than the amateur estate agent poms that come off the boat here. Toughen up son, stabbings are an everyday occurrence here, especially if you plan to hold on to your dinner money. Sincerely, good luck. I have to agree with bussie on this one. The UK is already on it's knees with public services crumbling, property prices spiralling out of control and crime sharply on on the increase. There was an article in a newspaper last week saying that a school in London had asked parents to send their children to school with their own toilet rolls because money was so tight! And yet in spite of this our wonderful Government is happy to allow 100,000's of illegal immigrants into the country, give them preferential council housing, grants to buy cars, televisions, furnish their new homes etc. Their children get priority places at local schools forcing other pupils to go to the next school several miles away. They get immediately placed on dental and doctor's registers, ahead of everyone else. The streets of London are bursting with eastern European beggers, thieves, muggers, drug dealers, pimps and every other kind of low life you can imagine. The fact is that most of these people are NOT real refugees. They are NOT people who have bravely made the journey from a country in which they are being persecuted to a country where they can enjoy a peaceful life. Most of these people are on the make and are looking for a free ride. But it is a ride that the UK cannot afford. The problem is that the UK Government is too limp-wristed to deal with it, unlike the Australian government who hold illegals offshore at gunpoint! This is not a racist thing, it's about wanting to have a decent quality of life in return for working hard and paying taxes. People get very irrate when they see their taxes being handed out to anyone with a begging bowl at the same time that their own children have nothing to wipe their arses on! As for the crime rates in Oz, they may well be higher than in London (I wouldn't be surprised coming from the decendants of a bunch of convicts), but I doubt it. National crime figures are rarely accurate and do not reflect the real world. They are numbers that have been tinkered around with by a bunch of bean counters to paint the picture that they want to paint. Most crime doesn't even get reported anymore as our Police are so hopeless. All other things being equal, where would you rather live? |
I should know better than to rise to such drivel... but...
paulspell wrote: "The fact is that most of these people are NOT real refugees. They are NOT people who have bravely made the journey from a country in which they are being persecuted to a country where they can enjoy a peaceful life. Most of these people are on the make and are looking for a free ride. But it is a ride that the UK cannot afford." Exactly what evidence do you have for such claims???!!! How do you know these people are not real refugees? Do you stand on street corners and quiz them? No, you're probably too busy assuming they can't speak English to even try.... Could you present the evidence for something you present as "fact" please? I would like to ask if you have ever been to a developing nation or a warzone and seen what it's really like (and I don't mean a beach resort). Just because you've been lucky enough to have been born in a developed country, does not give you the right to hog it for yourself. If your neighbour came knocking on your door in the middle of the night, asking for refuge from a rapist, would you turn her away? Perhaps you would, because turning away asylum seekers is exactly the same thing.... Maybe you should and live the life of one the people you call "not real refugees" for a while, that might open your eyes to the world a little... |
Exactly what evidence do you have for such claims???!!! How do you know these people are not real refugees? Do you stand on street corners and quiz them? No, you're probably too busy assuming they can't speak English to even try.... Could you present the evidence for something you present as "fact" please? I would like to ask if you have ever been to a developing nation or a warzone and seen what it's really like (and I don't mean a beach resort). Just because you've been lucky enough to have been born in a developed country, does not give you the right to hog it for yourself. You are missing the point. I have already said that those people who are genuine refugees have my utmost respect for trying to find a better life for themselves and their families. But the FACT is that only 3 out of every 10 asylum seekers in this country are from countries where they face real persecution, or where there is some form of civil war, or where they are under some kind of real threat. They are not made up figures they are published by the home office and have been widely reported in the press, no matter how much you may want to disagree with them. It is the illegal scroungers who are entering this country for nothing more than economic reasons that cause resentment. How long do you think this country would remain prosperous if everyone from every poor under developed country came to live here? Our economy nor our infrastructure can cope. |
If your neighbour came knocking on your door in the middle of the night, asking for refuge from a rapist, would you turn her away? Perhaps you would, because turning away asylum seekers is exactly the same thing.... |
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Originally posted by paulspell I think you might find that the majority of asylum seekers in the UK enter the country illegally, rather than making the appropriate applications and doing things above board like most of the Perth poms. There's a big difference. I have to agree with bussie on this one. The UK is already on it's knees with public services crumbling, property prices spiralling out of control and crime sharply on on the increase. There was an article in a newspaper last week saying that a school in London had asked parents to send their children to school with their own toilet rolls because money was so tight! And yet in spite of this our wonderful Government is happy to allow 100,000's of illegal immigrants into the country, give them preferential council housing, grants to buy cars, televisions, furnish their new homes etc. Their children get priority places at local schools forcing other pupils to go to the next school several miles away. They get immediately placed on dental and doctor's registers, ahead of everyone else. The streets of London are bursting with eastern European beggers, thieves, muggers, drug dealers, pimps and every other kind of low life you can imagine. The fact is that most of these people are NOT real refugees. They are NOT people who have bravely made the journey from a country in which they are being persecuted to a country where they can enjoy a peaceful life. Most of these people are on the make and are looking for a free ride. But it is a ride that the UK cannot afford. The problem is that the UK Government is too limp-wristed to deal with it, unlike the Australian government who hold illegals offshore at gunpoint! This is not a racist thing, it's about wanting to have a decent quality of life in return for working hard and paying taxes. People get very irrate when they see their taxes being handed out to anyone with a begging bowl at the same time that their own children have nothing to wipe their arses on! As for the crime rates in Oz, they may well be higher than in London (I wouldn't be surprised coming from the decendants of a bunch of convicts), but I doubt it. National crime figures are rarely accurate and do not reflect the real world. They are numbers that have been tinkered around with by a bunch of bean counters to paint the picture that they want to paint. Most crime doesn't even get reported anymore as our Police are so hopeless. All other things being equal, where would you rather live? In 100 years or so, the white persecuted minority will look back in history and ask serious questions about WW2. Slater |
Asylum Seekers
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You say 100 years.....bloody hell you are very optomistic. It will happen much much sooner than that if this country continues along the path it is going. I would say that it is likely that there will be a serious backlash in years to come, sooner rather than later IMHO. And Paulspell.............I completely agree with you. Your arguement is fair and reasonable. Lets face it, why oh why would anyone in their right mind consider allowing a huge influx of immigrants who contribute absolutely nothing to the economy. An economy I might add that is in serious trouble, just look at unemployment, Hospitals, Schools, Manufacture (what manufcature you may say) and a Trade deficit. I fear for the future of this country. |
Postings that jump on the asylum seeker bandwagon make me very very sad and savage at the same time. Racism will out itself very quickly it seems. Has anyone met victims of oppression, victims of torture and persecution, victims of war and seen the haunted looks in their eyes. Well I have - and you know what - it makes you feel very lucky to live in such a liberal country as the UK. Yes there are bogus asylum seekers as there are bogus dole bludgers and con artists the world over but that should not take away the suffering that some people have gone through and the courage and single mindedness that it has taken for them to make the treacherous journey - often at the mercy of merciless con merchants. All the ills of the UK cannot all be blamed on asylum seekers but the media - in its wisdom - has unleashed this rotten sentiment so that now the word asymum seeker conjures up some evil, murdering, pillaging, scrounging lowlife. I await the insults at leisure.
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Originally posted by grubelice Postings that jump on the asylum seeker bandwagon make me very very sad and savage at the same time. Racism will out itself very quickly it seems. Has anyone met victims of oppression, victims of torture and persecution, victims of war and seen the haunted looks in their eyes. Well I have - and you know what - it makes you feel very lucky to live in such a liberal country as the UK. Yes there are bogus asylum seekers as there are bogus dole bludgers and con artists the world over but that should not take away the suffering that some people have gone through and the courage and single mindedness that it has taken for them to make the treacherous journey - often at the mercy of merciless con merchants. All the ills of the UK cannot all be blamed on asylum seekers but the media - in its wisdom - has unleashed this rotten sentiment so that now the word asymum seeker conjures up some evil, murdering, pillaging, scrounging lowlife. I await the insults at leisure. Elaine :mad: Slater |
Asylum Seekers.
Grubelice
Your comments are reasonable, and indeed fair. People who are persecuted should be helped. And the ills of this country cannot all be put at the door of the UK immigration policy, but you also cannot ignore the fact that one of the real issues this country faces is the problem of how and WHEN are the (any) government going to handle the 80% of those who have no real justification to be here. It has nothing to do with racism. It is simple logic, economics, common sense. Call it what you (or I) will. This country has some real problems. It is expensive to live here, becoming overcrowded, together with the other issues I commented on.......Schools, Hospitals, Trade....etc. You cannot simply ignore these issues and sweep them under the carpet. What do you do.......just continue to let people in? No insults intended........ Gary |
lol thought this would open a can of worms when I wrote it
Considering I live in a small community I thought this was a big news story not taking anything away from the refugees they all seem to be doing very well for them selves as I always see them in nice new clothes new Nike trainers and mobile phones in there back pocket And none of them working :confused: |
Originally posted by grubelice Postings that jump on the asylum seeker bandwagon make me very very sad and savage at the same time. Racism will out itself very quickly it seems. Elaine :mad: Unfortunately, it's people like you who shout 'racism' at the drop of a hat, that prevents people from discussing this issue the way they should be able to. Read all the posts again. Apart from PB's Vietnamese drug gangs, not one person has mentioned a single 'race'. They are talking about assylum seekers (illegal or not) in general, the rising crime rates related to it and the inept British laws that allow this fiasco to go on. Encarta Dictionary defines racism as: "animosity towards other races: prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races". Nobody has mentioned anybody's race, it doesn't matter where they come from, it's what they do when they get here that people are angry about. Please don't jump on the 'Politicical-correctness-gone-mad' bandwagon and allow people to discuss (a) rising crime rates and (b) the Government's stupidity over assylum laws I'm sure even you cannot deny these two facts. |
Immigrants!!!
Just my own opinion but isn't it a little hypocritical to have a go at immigrants illegal or otherwise for wanting to better themselves? Surely that's what everyone on this bloody forum is doing.
I feel a lot of you will have different views on the subject when you've been an immigrant in your chosen countries for a while!!!!! I'm not a bleeding heart just a prospective immigrant the same as we all are. |
Im with bussie on this one ,and yes before you shout jandjuk i am am qualified to say so,i dont interview them on street corners,they are far too clever for that.I see the ones that present themselves to social services as unaccompanied minors claiming to be under 18,as they get an even better deal if they claim to be a child .My job is to do an age assessment,and i can honestly say that some are a joke and are taking the p as they are clearly not 14,15 16 but in their mid 20s.
we also have others claiming benefits and blantantly working,i could go on and on and on . So dont get too worked up by their plight as i would say ,in my opinion ,80% of the ones presenting to us are economic migrants and are demanding more ,and getting more than your average uk youngster estranged from their parents. donna |
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Originally posted by cresta57 Just my own opinion but isn't it a little hypocritical to have a go at immigrants illegal or otherwise for wanting to better themselves? Surely that's what everyone on this bloody forum is doing. I feel a lot of you will have different views on the subject when you've been an immigrant in your chosen countries for a while!!!!! I'm not a bleeding heart just a prospective immigrant the same as we all are. Get real how much more can we take. Slater |
Re: Immigrants!!!
Originally posted by Slater It isn't my intension to go to Oz to fleece the welfare system and send the money that I steal from hard working taxpayers to secure the passage of others to do exactly the same thing, who in turn secure the passage of others to do the same thing to secure the passage of others to do exactly the same thing to secure the passage of others to do the same thing to secure the passage of others to do the same. Get real how much more can we take. Slater You can't lay the blame with the immigrants as you say many travel through up to 14 borders to get hear. When they arrive they have moneyand housing showered upon them wouldn't you then encourage the rest of your mates to join in the party? Put yourself in their shoes for a moment and tell me you wouldn't do the same. The fault lies within the welfare system and ultimately the government, until policy is changed then there will be hoards of economic migrants pouring into the UK each year. I don't blame the immigrants as their reasons for coming are the same as mine for going:) |
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Originally posted by cresta57 I don't plan to "fleece the welfare system either" but You and I will still be immigrants. If your reason to emigrate is to provide a better quality of life for you and yours then what's the difference between the thousands heading to the UK each year? You can't lay the blame with the immigrants as you say many travel through up to 14 borders to get hear. When they arrive they have moneyand housing showered upon them wouldn't you then encourage the rest of your mates to join in the party? Put yourself in their shoes for a moment and tell me you wouldn't do the same. The fault lies within the welfare system and ultimately the government, until policy is changed then there will be hoards of economic migrants pouring into the UK each year. I don't blame the immigrants as their reasons for coming are the same as mine for going:) 1. somebody coming to settle in a country: somebody who has come to a country and settled there. Of course we'll be immigrants, I don't think we have a problem with that. The difference is that we are doing it properly and that does differentiate us. The problem is with the 'illegal' immigrants and the 'bogus' assylum seekers and the Government that allows it to continue. We're not allowed to claim benefit for two years after we land in Oz. I wonder how many people would enter the UK if we had the same rule? http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/s...um_seekers.php http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/s...ey_council.php http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/s...um_seekers.php http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/s...um_seekers.php http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/s...neighbours.php http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/s...um_seekers.php |
Funny how so many people choose to economically migrate half way around the world, ignoring all the other countries on the way, with the aim of getting a better life, having to work less, use the locally available resources, whether large houses, large land plots, the beach or whatever, in a country which has limited land available to support its current 20M population or infrastructure given the spread out population. How ironic.
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Re: Asylum seekers
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Slater
Congratulations paulspell for speaking your mind, a lot of us here (call us rats if you like) are, with a heavy heart leaving the sinking ship we call Britain and home. It is because of our governments policy on asylum seekers that we are seeing our pound plummet against other major currencies, you can't keep printing money for these people to send home to their relitives, who use the money to make the journey themselves, to send money back to their relatives and on and on. In 100 years or so, the white persecuted minority will look back in history and ask serious questions about WW2. I don't like asylum seekers much either, but I don't think you can blame them for the value of sterling !. Exchange rates are decided by many different economic factors, & the pound has not plummeted, it's gone done a bit & could very easily go the other way. |
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Originally posted by Slater It is because of our governments policy on asylum seekers that we are seeing our pound plummet against other major currencies, In 100 years or so, the white persecuted minority will look back in history and ask serious questions about WW2. Slater I think you may need to revisit your economics and history lessons, in fact go the whole hog and get an education. |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amazulu
Originally posted by Slater Congratulations paulspell for speaking your mind, a lot of us here (call us rats if you like) are, with a heavy heart leaving the sinking ship we call Britain and home. It is because of our governments policy on asylum seekers that we are seeing our pound plummet against other major currencies, you can't keep printing money for these people to send home to their relitives, who use the money to make the journey themselves, to send money back to their relatives and on and on. In 100 years or so, the white persecuted minority will look back in history and ask serious questions about WW2. I don't like asylum seekers much either, but I don't think you can blame them for the value of sterling !. Exchange rates are decided by many different economic factors, & the pound has not plummeted, it's gone done a bit & could very easily go the other way. Britain will be all the better for you leaving it, son, so get going as soon as possible, and do the Brits a favour and don't ever go back. There are few countries in the world that have a national demand for losers and I did not know that "prat class I" was on the Oz occupational shortage lists, but with your attitudes I just feel sorry for Oz. In some ways, ozzies are like everyone else, and who respects someone who knocks their own past? |
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Originally posted by bussie its a fact the area i live in in the south east of England is so bad there has been 4 stabings and one murder this week thats worse than any part in london and all down to Asylum Seekers carnt wait till i go to Perth it carnt be as bad as were im living now A PERMANENT police unit targeting gangs will be created after senior police conceded yesterday that WA has a violent street gang problem which is becoming entrenched in lucrative organised crime. The gang unit will be based at Curtin House alongside the Outlaw Motorcycle Gang Response Group, which carries out overt monitoring of WA's bikie gangs. It will respond to the bloody machete and knife fights between the Asian gangs M'Bros and Spider Boys, which have seen three gang members murdered in the past 18 months. http://www.thewest.com.au/20030723/n...sto106053.html :D :cool: :beer: |
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I don't like asylum seekers much either, but I don't think you can blame them for the value of sterling !. Exchange rates are decided by many different economic factors, & the pound has not plummeted, it's gone done a bit & could very easily go the other way. [/QUOTE]
Don't know exactly, but they are definately a large factor, despite giving them loads of money, you can see them in large numbers buying clothes and all manner of things at car boot sales here along the south coast, which begs the question, what are they doing with the rest? I know, shipping more relatives in! Also you have to remember that there are hundreds of thousands of people like me, who are leaving this country every year, having worked hard here to get ahead, they are taking all their life's hard earned to spend in other countries. Australia is my choice, a country that I believe still has values and will when the time comes put it's own people first. Slater |
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Originally posted by Wilf Britain will be all the better for you leaving it, son, so get going as soon as possible, and do the Brits a favour and don't ever go back. There are few countries in the world that have a national demand for losers and I did not know that "prat class I" was on the Oz occupational shortage lists, but with your attitudes I just feel sorry for Oz. In some ways, ozzies are like everyone else, and who respects someone who knocks their own past? I see so if their opinion differs from yours then they are prats.. Hmmm .. freedom of speech anyone? |
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Originally posted by Wilf Britain will be all the better for you leaving it, son, so get going as soon as possible, and do the Brits a favour and don't ever go back. There are few countries in the world that have a national demand for losers and I did not know that "prat class I" was on the Oz occupational shortage lists, but with your attitudes I just feel sorry for Oz. In some ways, ozzies are like everyone else, and who respects someone who knocks their own past? I feel sorry for others that do not have the same choices as us. Slater |
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