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Re: The Ashes Series
Originally Posted by Pearl&Wal
(Post 7745118)
Tbf Vash, England has all of those leagues too - County Championship Div 1 and 2, Sunday League 20/20 Cup (first in the world to have one), womans cricket so it's not that.
And also, I watch A Grade Cricket and I played in the top leagues in England in the Midlands and Surrey, played with Aussie overseas players and County players and i'd say Aussie A grade is closer to the equalvilent of minor Counties Cricket with 1 or 2 state players thrown in. However, State sides are well above average county sides. It's a very good standard, but A grade is not 4 day county cricket - atleast it's not in South-East Qld. The reason England are getting dicked on is that they didn't take their chances when batsmen got in during their first innings - they lacked patience and had poor shot selection. Australia taught England a lesson about how to bat on a good wicket. Katich and Pontings innings just showed England that patience and good shot selection when in on a great wicket = lots and lots of runs. |
Re: The Ashes Series
What I would concede is that A Grade Cricket is harder, tougher cricket (mentally) that it's English equivalent. This is largely due to the competitiveness to get into these sides (more kids seem to play Cricket in Oz) and due to the fact that the games are structured over 2 weekends (1 side bats 1 week, the other the next).
What this means is that, as a batsman, you prize your wicket more as you might get another opportunity to bat for 3 weeks if things pan out against you. In England they play 50 over one day games so the batsmen know they'll bat every week - hence they seem to prize their wickets less. In my experience, Aussies I played with were always far more 'hardened' players in comparison to their English counterparts and this was why they (the overseas Aussies) thought this was. |
Re: The Ashes Series
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
(Post 7744988)
You underestimate the diversity of Australian cricket. We have a thriving amateur scene fuelled by highly competitive interstate rivalries. Our international players are drawn from a high quality domestic pool.
"Grade cricket" is our equivalent of England's county cricket. It is well organised, with intra- and inter-state competitions at an amateur level. Australia also has four major national domestic cricket competitions (Sheffield Shield, Ford Ranger Cup, KFC Twenty20 Big Bash, Cricket Australia Cup & Women's National Cricket League) and two minor nationals (CA Under-19 Cup & CA Under-17 Cup) all of which are fiercely contended. One major difference that has struck me during my 5+ years in the UK is the provision of public sporting facilities. Cricket nets are a common feature of public parks in Australia, but I have never seen one in a UK park. The other one is that the climate doesn't allow for cricket playing for long periods of time. It is difficult enough as it is just getting a full test series uninterrupted by rain in the summer let alone getting a full national league running fluently. |
Re: The Ashes Series
Originally Posted by stuckinblighty
(Post 7744084)
( England to get bowled out for less than 200 today )
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Re: The Ashes Series
Originally Posted by stuckinblighty
(Post 7745401)
looking good :(
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Re: The Ashes Series
Originally Posted by Alfresco
(Post 7745427)
Yep. 70 for 5 now. :thumbdown:
ohh cos its England thats how ! tosspots :thumbdown: |
Re: The Ashes Series
Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders
(Post 7744804)
The point is that if Aus get smashed in this series then SA will go top. Sure SA don't gain any points from this result but the Aussie lose points. That's how the system works. So Amazulu is correct
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Re: The Ashes Series
Originally Posted by stuckinblighty
(Post 7745431)
you have to laugh.....how the hell can one team get nearly 700-6 and the other struggle to score 100 on the same wicket ?
ohh cos its England thats how ! tosspots :thumbdown: |
Re: The Ashes Series
Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders
(Post 7745204)
there are a few factors in my opinion why this is. One is that cricket is still very much a class sport. Very few schools these days really push cricket in a competitive manner. Whereas is in Aus, it is more the working class that play.
The other one is that the climate doesn't allow for cricket playing for long periods of time. It is difficult enough as it is just getting a full test series uninterrupted by rain in the summer let alone getting a full national league running fluently. This is borne out in the England team, where in recent years (with the exception of maybe Flintoff, Harmison and Tuffers) the English team have been made up of nice middle class lads, whereas they've been facing ultra -competitive bogans like Warney and don't have the mongrel fighting spirit. The other factor is the weather, which doesn't lend itself to cricket full stop, but even at a professional level doesn't create results, and ends up with county teams losing 2 days of a four day game to rain and grinding out draws. That makes lazy cricketers. |
Re: The Ashes Series
Congratulations England, on your... er... draw. :eek:
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Re: The Ashes Series
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
(Post 7746274)
Congratulations England, on your... er... draw. :eek:
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Re: The Ashes Series
Originally Posted by INDOAUS
(Post 7746299)
:confused: I thought congratulations were given for a team that won.
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Re: The Ashes Series
It's only going to get worse as kids in school in the UK are taught that there are no winners or losers... what's important is taking part...... :eek:
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Re: The Ashes Series
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
(Post 7746309)
They are, but Poms celebrate a draw as if it's a win, so congratulations are in order.
PPPHHHEEEWWW! |
Re: The Ashes Series
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
(Post 7746274)
Congratulations England, on your... er... draw. :eek:
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