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Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 10840294)
Thanks for that - a long way from buying at the mo, but always good to get the research in :)
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Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by Zen10
(Post 10840271)
The thing is is does come down to personal preference. I know Elizabeth and Taperoo from driving through the former en route to the Barossa and the latter from when looking at some of the only affordable houses on the plain. They're not areas we're looking at as we're looking more at the hills. All the areas you mention, Elizabeth, Taperoo and Munno Para are all notorious for one reason or another, particularly the last one, with a lot of unemployment and crime (including house breaking). A good rule of thumb is unless you're on the coast don't live north of Grand Junction Road until you get out to Gawler, etc.
In any severely unaffordable market the law is simple: any house you can afford you don't want to live in, and any house you want to live in you can't afford. I think this applies here. Notoriety is based on the same sort of media attention as reading the Daily Mail in the UK, hyped up and excitable. Most Elizabethans find this upsetting and unacceptable. There are pockets of streets which are not the best, but otherwise Elizabeth is no worse than most other Adelaide suburbs which are considerably more expensive. My eldest sister who lived in Elizabeth Vale adjacent to the mile long Carisbrook Park, still speaks of the time when a couple came from Adelaide to buy something from her, and they were astonished that it wasn't an area to be fearful of. They expected a slum with crime all around, when in fact it was nothing like they expected. Elizabeth is very affordable and worth considering, and personally I would choose Collingbourne Drive in Elizabeth Vale facing the park. However there are nearby streets also worth considering. |
Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by aries
(Post 10840589)
It is not possible to know Elizabeth from driving through. I know the area very well as I do others in Adelaide, and unless you have a personal knowledge it is best not to make a judgement.
Notoriety is based on the same sort of media attention as reading the Daily Mail in the UK, hyped up and excitable. Most Elizabethans find this upsetting and unacceptable. There are pockets of streets which are not the best, but otherwise Elizabeth is no worse than most other Adelaide suburbs which are considerably more expensive. Elizabeth is very affordable and worth considering, and personally I would choose Collingbourne Drive in Elizabeth Vale facing the park. |
Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by Zen10
(Post 10840604)
I'm confident that between my visual inspection of the area plus what I read in the newspaper and see on the TV I have chosen wisely in avoiding all of the areas to which I refer above. There is a reason why houses there are so cheap - why do you think that is? It is based on reality, which is that Elizabeth has some of the highest crime levels in the city, especially motoring and drug offences. It also had the highest levels of assaults outside the main city, but I think this might have improved in recent years. I hear the schools there are not exactly great as well. Elizabeth, like Munno Para and Smithfield, is affordable for a reason. I accept that how you perceive these areas depends on what you're used to. I would not live in any of these areas, and I absolutely would never even consider sending my kids to any of the schools in these areas. I;m just adding in edit that these areas are not exactly the Bronx, I know that. I'm just saying that they are at the rougher end of Adelaide, and for me I would rather avoid this for my kids if not myself. |
Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by Zen10
(Post 10840604)
I'm confident that between my visual inspection of the area plus what I read in the newspaper and see on the TV I have chosen wisely in avoiding all of the areas to which I refer above. There is a reason why houses there are so cheap - why do you think that is?
It is based on reality, which is that Elizabeth has some of the highest crime levels in the city, especially motoring and drug offences. It also had the highest levels of assaults outside the main city, but I think this might have improved in recent years. I hear the schools there are not exactly great as well. Elizabeth, like Munno Para and Smithfield, is affordable for a reason. I accept that how you perceive these areas depends on what you're used to. I would not live in any of these areas, and I absolutely would never even consider sending my kids to any of the schools in these areas. I;m just adding in edit that these areas are not exactly the Bronx, I know that. I'm just saying that they are at the rougher end of Adelaide, and for me I would rather avoid this for my kids if not myself. |
Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by aries
(Post 10840626)
What I am used to has nothing to do with my knowledge of Adelaide suburbs. I choose not to judge on reports but on personal knowledge gained over the course of many years. I have lived in five quality locations north, south, east and west of the city, plus in the city itself as well as Elizabeth Vale, I find that it is always advisable to keep an open mind and not make prejudiced uneducated judgements.
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Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by Zen10
(Post 10840661)
It is very rude to accuse someone of being prejudiced and uneducated, by the way.
And surely an educated person is capable of fixing up the quotes? :sneaky: |
Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by NickyC
(Post 10840709)
It's also pretty rude for someone with no first-hand experience to dismiss huge swathes of Adelaide as being awful places to live.
And surely an educated person is capable of fixing up the quotes? :sneaky: |
Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by NickyC
(Post 10840709)
It's also pretty rude for someone with no first-hand experience to dismiss huge swathes of Adelaide as being awful places to live.
And surely an educated person is capable of fixing up the quotes? :sneaky: |
Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by NickyC
(Post 10840709)
It's also pretty rude for someone with no first-hand experience to dismiss huge swathes of Adelaide as being awful places to live.
And surely an educated person is capable of fixing up the quotes? :sneaky: I'm editing this down a bit - Elizabeth requires more policing than the other suburbs, has a much lower median house price, and is commonly in the news for the various exploits of its residents. Local Adelaidians know it's one of the roughest suburbs, and I'm happy with that. |
Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Even as someone who lived in Brisbane I know all about the reputation of the Elizabeth area, it is similar to areas like Marsden, Kingston, Loganlea, Woodridge etc in Brisbane, I dont have to have lived there to know they arent places I would choose to live. As has been said property prices are always low(er) for a reason. Its not to say you cant live in any of these areas all your life and never be a victim of crime, we lived in a very good area and were affected but in these areas your chances are significantly higher, statistics prove that.
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Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by chris955
(Post 10840879)
Even as someone who lived in Brisbane I know all about the reputation of the Elizabeth area, it is similar to areas like Marsden, Kingston, Loganlea, Woodridge etc in Brisbane, I dont have to have lived there to know they arent places I would choose to live. As has been said property prices are always low(er) for a reason. Its not to say you cant live in any of these areas all your life and never be a victim of crime, we lived in a very good area and were affected but in these areas your chances are significantly higher, statistics prove that.
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Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 10840896)
The problem is is the data doesn't overly reflect it - just the crimes very. In Charles Sturt council area the total number of crimes is 134.75 per 1000 people, and in Salisbury which covers Elizabeth, the rate is 134.46. If you live in Salisbury, you're more likely to be a victim of general violence, ther are more drugs and motoring offences; but you are more likely to be raped or burgled in Charles Sturt. Charles Sturt Council covers Henley Beach, Grange, West Lakes. The total number of offences for Charles Sturt is 14,614 with a population of 108,456. The total number of crimes for Salisbury is 17,816 but the population is 132,499. I picked Charles Sturt for comparison as it is considered a good area, and it is where we are renting
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Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by chris955
(Post 10840879)
Even as someone who lived in Brisbane I know all about the reputation of the Elizabeth area, it is similar to areas like Marsden, Kingston, Loganlea, Woodridge etc in Brisbane, I dont have to have lived there to know they arent places I would choose to live. As has been said property prices are always low(er) for a reason. Its not to say you cant live in any of these areas all your life and never be a victim of crime, we lived in a very good area and were affected but in these areas your chances are significantly higher, statistics prove that.
Prejudices and ill-advised comments such as the ones I have heard on this forum are the reason for some people to believe everything they hear, and of course this leads to lower prices for property investors to take advantage of. My real estate agent (a neighbour) was also insistent that she placed the price of my house higher than normal, other real estate agents were out for a quick sale and didn't care if home owners received less money. Her colleagues were critical of her, they were indulging in building their own property portfolios in the area. Wth the large corner blocks they choose to demolish and build three houses, each more expensive to buy than the house destroyed. Yes there is crime, and yes there are streets I didn't like, but there are other suburbs in Adelaide and other cities which are far less agreeable. To be back on subject, the high cost of living in Australia can lead to migrants leaving, but when they want everything all at once, and believe it is their right to live in large smart homes which they struggle to afford, they bring defeat upon themselves. Many migrants certainly achieve the dream, Australia has a lot to offer for those who try. I was friends with an Italian migrant family who initially lived in a galvanised iron hut in the middle of their field at Virginia. British migrants laughed at such people in the 1950s and 1960s, but the Italians buckled under, worked hard in the fields, and became market garden multi millionaires with overseas markets. Now Vietnamese are striving to do the same. The moral of this story is . . . don't laugh or be critical of people and areas you perceive to be inferior, they could well be the ones who survive. |
Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by aries
(Post 10841280)
Prejudices and ill-advised comments such as the ones I have heard on this forum are the reason for some people to believe everything they hear, and of course this leads to lower prices for property investors to take advantage of.
Elizabeth requires more policing - SAPOL have two teams to cover the four suburbs around and including Elizabeth, where as they have another two teams for 18 of the other city suburbs. Why do you think Elizabeth requires such heavy policing? What I think is that it is ill-advised to tell new immigrants Elizabeth is a nice suburb when it factually is one of the most dangerous in the city. |
Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
just agree to disagree and move on! :banghead:
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Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
(Post 10841865)
just agree to disagree and move on! :banghead:
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Re: Anyone quitting Aus due to the high cost of living
Originally Posted by aries
(Post 10841280)
The reputation of the Elizabeth area is often based on hearsay, wild anecdotes and plain rubbish. I felt no more at risk living at Elizabeth Vale than I did at Toorak Gardens in Adelaide or Beaumaris in Melbourne. Very clearly properties in these areas are more expensive and upmarket than at Eizabeth, but for anyone to use statistics with no personal knowledge, shows a disregard for fairness.
Prejudices and ill-advised comments such as the ones I have heard on this forum are the reason for some people to believe everything they hear, and of course this leads to lower prices for property investors to take advantage of. My real estate agent (a neighbour) was also insistent that she placed the price of my house higher than normal, other real estate agents were out for a quick sale and didn't care if home owners received less money. Her colleagues were critical of her, they were indulging in building their own property portfolios in the area. Wth the large corner blocks they choose to demolish and build three houses, each more expensive to buy than the house destroyed. Yes there is crime, and yes there are streets I didn't like, but there are other suburbs in Adelaide and other cities which are far less agreeable. To be back on subject, the high cost of living in Australia can lead to migrants leaving, but when they want everything all at once, and believe it is their right to live in large smart homes which they struggle to afford, they bring defeat upon themselves. Many migrants certainly achieve the dream, Australia has a lot to offer for those who try. I was friends with an Italian migrant family who initially lived in a galvanised iron hut in the middle of their field at Virginia. British migrants laughed at such people in the 1950s and 1960s, but the Italians buckled under, worked hard in the fields, and became market garden multi millionaires with overseas markets. Now Vietnamese are striving to do the same. The moral of this story is . . . don't laugh or be critical of people and areas you perceive to be inferior, they could well be the ones who survive. |
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