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Old Mar 13th 2012, 12:33 am
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Originally Posted by chris955
The high $ is hurting the economy here in so many ways.

Did you know that a significant reason for the underperformance of many domestic sectors of the economy is that Australians are deleveraging and refuse to pump spending into the economy despite the relatively higher household income compared to pre-GFC levels?

Australian savings rate is at multi-decade highs and Australians have learned from the Europeans and Americans that debt-binge spending and living beyond your means is a recipe for disaster. The big banks are desperately trying to grow their loan books, and they are competing for the level of saving deposits that have not been seen for many years.

Many domestic sectors (more significantly retail and domestic travel and services) are obviously affected by this deleveraging process, but I tend to think this is a painful but necessary process to avoid future debt blow-outs and liquidity problems.

Those who refuse to adapt by increasing productivity, by differentiating, etc are bound to lose.

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Indeed! I want to explain but it's a long boring topic. Let me know if you're interested though!
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You do know that when the republicans last came to power they inherited a surplus. When they left office the country was 12 trillion dollars in debt
Yes apples are different to oranges.
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After watching this: http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stori...08/3448633.htm

I cannot overemphasize the importance of relatively high interest rates and household deleveraging and saving.
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Melbourne and Victoria are starting to suffer now. Thats only the 3rd time it's happened in my time here. Not at 1987 levels yet, but it could get that way. Pretty sure it will get that way actually.

Melbourne is usually the last Aus city to suffer these recession woes. Definitely time to pull out the major infrastructure genie down here.
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
Melbourne and Victoria are starting to suffer now. Thats only the 3rd time it's happened in my time here. Not at 1987 levels yet, but it could get that way. Pretty sure it will get that way actually.

Melbourne is usually the last Aus city to suffer these recession woes. Definitely time to pull out the major infrastructure genie down here.
We had the company meeting today. Redundancies announced for the first time I think for my company. Melbourne is definitely the worst office.
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We had the company meeting today. Redundancies announced for the first time I think for my company. Melbourne is defintely the worst office.
Don't worry....it is different here
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Don't worry....it is different here
Well it wasn't that long ago we had all these vacancies...but the arse has really fallen out of it in recent times.
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Originally Posted by commonwealth
Is this similar to Tall Poppy Syndrome?
No it is in the longer term a healther and all round better system, where all or most benefit.
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Originally Posted by bcworld
Well it wasn't that long ago we had all these vacancies...but the arse has really fallen out of it in recent times.
Yehp very fast turn around... Was booming in October/November. I'm getting plenty of reports of people that could easily find work having trouble myself now.

If it gets to 1987 people will know all about it.... 1/4 of the shops along Sydney Rd shut down.

Time to build the Domain tunnel and the Rail Link to the Airport methinks. They'll have to do both of those sooner or later. So may as well start now.
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It's part of the usual cycle that everyone has to adapt to. It's called free market capitalism.
And why? It counties to be misguided creed for present and look at the mess it has got the western world in?

I don't think you will find China following such a chaotic system as 'free'market capitalism. For a start nothing is free.....
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Whats also happening at the moment is that many households are deleveraging and increasing their savings to 20-year highs instead of pumping the cash into the economy. it's not as if the GDP and employment were in a freefall.
Rightly so as well. Spend for what on what? Over priced and over inflated goo? Save and move it abroad when terms dictate. We are in control of our own destiny not some ridiculous, out of date economic theory.
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I for one think universal healthcare should be abolished and private medical schemes should be made to flourish. If you want good healthcare you should pay for it by working hard to earn it or by taking care of your health through sensible diet and exercise etc. Why should we pay medicare if we all try to be healthy?
Hopefully there are not too many thoughts like this around. Otherwise we as a society are in deep trouble.
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
Yehp very fast turn around... Was booming in October/November. I'm getting plenty of reports of people that could easily find work having trouble myself now.

If it gets to 1987 people will know all about it.... 1/4 of the shops along Sydney Rd shut down.

Time to build the Domain tunnel and the Rail Link to the Airport methinks. They'll have to do both of those sooner or later. So may as well start now.
You think a Govt that introduces a carbon tax and is removing LAFHA is going to build either of those?

The books have to be balanced...........
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