At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
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Re: At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
Google 'murder capital world' with 'Colombia' then try it with 'South Africa' and see how many results come up. Then try Medellin with Johannesburg - Medellin (the REAL murder capital of the world) trounced Jo'burg and everywhere else for homicides until recently.
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Re: At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
Well it may be underreported against the US (what isn't?) but it's VERY overhyped compared to other parts of the world.
Google 'murder capital world' with 'Colombia' then try it with 'South Africa' and see how many results come up. Then try Medellin with Johannesburg - Medellin (the REAL murder capital of the world) trounced Jo'burg and everywhere else for homicides until recently.
Google 'murder capital world' with 'Colombia' then try it with 'South Africa' and see how many results come up. Then try Medellin with Johannesburg - Medellin (the REAL murder capital of the world) trounced Jo'burg and everywhere else for homicides until recently.
If you live in France, you will find the French report far more on French speaking areas of the world than the British do. This has nothing to do with the inherent newsworthiness of the news from those places, but the linguistic and historical ties. Same applies to Britain's interest in places like SA.
Your average Brit, and your average emigrating Brit, couldn't give a fig about life in Colombia. He probably wouldn't even know where Colombia is.
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Re: At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
I'm sure you're right that Google will come up with a good deal that misses the mainstream media - the BBC and the newspapers in the UK, in this instance.
If you live in France, you will find the French report far more on French speaking areas of the world than the British do. This has nothing to do with the inherent newsworthiness of the news from those places, but the linguistic and historical ties. Same applies to Britain's interest in places like SA.
Your average Brit, and your average emigrating Brit, couldn't give a fig about life in Colombia. He probably wouldn't even know where Colombia is.
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If you live in France, you will find the French report far more on French speaking areas of the world than the British do. This has nothing to do with the inherent newsworthiness of the news from those places, but the linguistic and historical ties. Same applies to Britain's interest in places like SA.
Your average Brit, and your average emigrating Brit, couldn't give a fig about life in Colombia. He probably wouldn't even know where Colombia is.
Pablo
#49
Re: At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
Yes. Here's one.
http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/...itchcraft.html
two.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/e.../mandela.muti/
three.
http://www.factnet.org/cults/Sangoma/index.html
Sod it ... just Google 'muti murders', and find them for yourself.
http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/...itchcraft.html
two.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/e.../mandela.muti/
three.
http://www.factnet.org/cults/Sangoma/index.html
Sod it ... just Google 'muti murders', and find them for yourself.
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Re: At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
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Re: At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
I for one know in which country it is, but couldn't just point it out on a map and I am by no means thick.
I second what Campbell said, your post is very aggressive.
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Re: At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
Well it may be underreported against the US (what isn't?) but it's VERY overhyped compared to other parts of the world.
Google 'murder capital world' with 'Colombia' then try it with 'South Africa' and see how many results come up. Then try Medellin with Johannesburg - Medellin (the REAL murder capital of the world) trounced Jo'burg and everywhere else for homicides until recently.
Google 'murder capital world' with 'Colombia' then try it with 'South Africa' and see how many results come up. Then try Medellin with Johannesburg - Medellin (the REAL murder capital of the world) trounced Jo'burg and everywhere else for homicides until recently.
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Re: At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
I agree. I think some other countries are less safe (for white eurpoeans) than SA even thought he overall murder rate is lower. For example Nigeria, Cote D'ivoire, parts of south america, Iran. Places where white europeans are targeted for one reason or another.
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Re: At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
I'm not even interested whether we have the highest or second highest crime rate .I just want us to be nowhere near that end of the scale.
Its just too bad that so many people here trawl the online news sites for the worst news coming out of SA. I'd like to see them do the same for the good news stories.
I would suggest that the person who started this thread do his homework on S.A and come with an open mind . He might even have a great time contrary to all the bad news betties.
Just a month ago I met two ladies from the UK who came over for a friends wedding they have been scared stiff by all around them prior to departing .According to them they had a blast all without incident. Now dont get me wrong anything could have happened , but they arrived forewarned and took care while here. As one should when going to a country youre unfamiliar with.
Its just too bad that so many people here trawl the online news sites for the worst news coming out of SA. I'd like to see them do the same for the good news stories.
I would suggest that the person who started this thread do his homework on S.A and come with an open mind . He might even have a great time contrary to all the bad news betties.
Just a month ago I met two ladies from the UK who came over for a friends wedding they have been scared stiff by all around them prior to departing .According to them they had a blast all without incident. Now dont get me wrong anything could have happened , but they arrived forewarned and took care while here. As one should when going to a country youre unfamiliar with.
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Re: At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
Here's a good start -
http://www.maropeng.co.za/
http://www.southafrica.info/plan_tri...eng-061205.htm
Looks like a great place!!
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Re: At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
...Another one who had a blast, reported today.
ROBBERS KILL BMW BOSS
A Gauteng father was murdered in front of his teenage daughter.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?newsl...5a1a20070716at
Pablo
ROBBERS KILL BMW BOSS
A Gauteng father was murdered in front of his teenage daughter.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?newsl...5a1a20070716at
Pablo
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Re: At the risk of being silly, is there anything positive to be said about SA?
juggernaut, mayhaps you can solve my problem?
I love reading good news stories about SA,I want to read more.
but real good news stories, like the the youngster in the Sunday Times who has fiddled his mentors chemical recipe for rocket fuel and made it faster,cheaper, better,
He thanks his mother who did'nt mind explosions in the kitchen and his Grandfather who taught science.
Or the teacher who last year had another 100% matriculation pass rate from an incredibly poor school with NO facilities.
He and his colleagues just taught and taught, gave free private lessons to those who were struggling and , umpteenth year running, magic matriculation rate.
or the good samaritans who help each other...
all the good news stories are swamped, firstly by obvious spin stories where the facts tend to be stretched or slightly massaged, by bad news stories that tend to be under reported or not even mentioned.
i'll give you two small for instances, hidden away in the press back to the 21st of july is a report that the Lindela Repatriation Camp that figures so prominently, is run by a private consortium, nothing major, but they get paid ZAR 260,000 per day, wether they have one inmate or 3000.
no-one knows who owns this little business Leading Prospects (Pty) ltd
but the Home Affairs spokesman has canned any further comment till the enquiry is finished.
The next is a proud little piece in tonights News24, of the 5 Hi-jackers and rapists who took a group of women to the fields outside westville a week ago, 3 have been arrested...
That's great news.... what hi-jacking and rape of a group of women in Westville , Natal a week ago???
Where was it reported, I have very good friends in Westville, Durban, I would have noticed a report.
So here's my problem, juggernaut, I know Johannesburg like the back of my hand, because of business and family, I am in almost daily contact , if enough sh*t does'nt get reported then I start doubting that which is.
And when I see people in denial, it aint that bad if you're careful, live in the right places, etc... i really loved Jaunita's comment in this one tonight:
Benoni police issued some advice to motorists on Monday to help them avoid hijacking.
"... some motorists are rather lax when it comes to their own safety and that of their passengers. We would be shirking our responsibility if we do not advise motorists how to perhaps avoid becoming a crime victim," said Inspector Juanita Kilian.
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?s...1722915C699168
If you are'nt as careful as a Spitfire pilot in the WW2, it's your fault.
I love reading good news stories about SA,I want to read more.
but real good news stories, like the the youngster in the Sunday Times who has fiddled his mentors chemical recipe for rocket fuel and made it faster,cheaper, better,
He thanks his mother who did'nt mind explosions in the kitchen and his Grandfather who taught science.
Or the teacher who last year had another 100% matriculation pass rate from an incredibly poor school with NO facilities.
He and his colleagues just taught and taught, gave free private lessons to those who were struggling and , umpteenth year running, magic matriculation rate.
or the good samaritans who help each other...
all the good news stories are swamped, firstly by obvious spin stories where the facts tend to be stretched or slightly massaged, by bad news stories that tend to be under reported or not even mentioned.
i'll give you two small for instances, hidden away in the press back to the 21st of july is a report that the Lindela Repatriation Camp that figures so prominently, is run by a private consortium, nothing major, but they get paid ZAR 260,000 per day, wether they have one inmate or 3000.
no-one knows who owns this little business Leading Prospects (Pty) ltd
but the Home Affairs spokesman has canned any further comment till the enquiry is finished.
The next is a proud little piece in tonights News24, of the 5 Hi-jackers and rapists who took a group of women to the fields outside westville a week ago, 3 have been arrested...
That's great news.... what hi-jacking and rape of a group of women in Westville , Natal a week ago???
Where was it reported, I have very good friends in Westville, Durban, I would have noticed a report.
So here's my problem, juggernaut, I know Johannesburg like the back of my hand, because of business and family, I am in almost daily contact , if enough sh*t does'nt get reported then I start doubting that which is.
And when I see people in denial, it aint that bad if you're careful, live in the right places, etc... i really loved Jaunita's comment in this one tonight:
Benoni police issued some advice to motorists on Monday to help them avoid hijacking.
"... some motorists are rather lax when it comes to their own safety and that of their passengers. We would be shirking our responsibility if we do not advise motorists how to perhaps avoid becoming a crime victim," said Inspector Juanita Kilian.
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?s...1722915C699168
If you are'nt as careful as a Spitfire pilot in the WW2, it's your fault.