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Re: Looking to move to SA
Originally Posted by izibear
18th strongest economy in the world????
You've obviously been reading HCR. There can be no other explanation. As to the crime coming down? Y You have been listening to the ANC or StatsSA propaganda. Crime is on the increase, not decrease. People have just stopped reporting it as they know it is no use. Employment has come down? You must be Leon Schuster. Trevor Manuel himself admitted that there is absolutely no solution to this problem. It stands at 40% right now. Banjo is looking at the situation without rose-colored glasses as you seem to have. Spend a couple of weeks on holiday there and all of a sudden you're the expert. You, of course, are entitled to want to live there. But don't come on a board and state that all is hunky dory and it is all roses, when everyone knows that it isn't. And above all, stop reading HCR. There is no other explanation other than it is an ANC backed site to promote the ones who actually pay taxes - as opposed to the taxi drivers in S.A. who are a multi BILLION rand industry and don't pay a penny's worth of tax on their earnings, and if they are asked to, go on a major rampage throughout the cities causing havoc - to return, seeing that their little golden goose is coming to an end soon. Interesting article you posted regarding gang rape and apartheid. Two months ago I was sexually assaulted by a group of four black males. They ranged in age from 21, 16, 14 to 10. The 10 year old wasn't even born during apartheid! The violence of their attack was staggering. I was attacked and beaten up in a driveway in an upmarket suburb. Nothing was taken, as I had nothing on me. They attempted to kill me by suffocation as well but only the indecent assault charge is being pressed due to "lack of evidence". I fought for my life and am fortunate to have survived, albeit with wounds. I've been on ART's and therapy since then but no amount of treatment or rationalisation will make this go away. Last year as well I was almost hijacked twice in the Eastern Cape and only got away by being alert (paranoid?) and driving like a stunt driver. We were woken up last year, on my son's birthday, to our 4 year old daughter's screams. There were four black men in her room. Later that year she was again traumatised by a group of young black kids, raning in age from 7 - 13 who attempted to abduct her from a playground at the local sports club to "make her their girlfriend". Her 10 year old brother and his friend bravely fought them off and screamed for help. She still wakes up screaming at night. That was just 2005, never mind other years before that. Notice that in the rest of Africa, where they didn't have apartheid, there is just as much rape, murder and indeed genocide so what is the excuse for them? Bottom line - I really don't care what the excuse is for this despicable savagery, my family and I are leaving, taking our skills and money with us. Lorna. |
Re: Looking to move to SA
Originally Posted by stormer
Coolie
Haven't seen your posts before but it looks like you also suffer from the 'I'm not the baas anymore' syndrome.. Agh shame...good riddance.. 1. a better standard of living 2. a life with less crime 3. a life with equal oportunities 4. a life where I could get a job based on my skills, not the color of my skin 5. a life free from idiots like you who cant see the bigger picture 6. a life where I dont have to live in fear of my wife being gang raped before her purse was stolen. 7. a life where I have the choice of doing what I want to do and not having to worry about it. 8. a life where the opportunities far outweigh the lack thereof 9. a life where I dont have to live in a prison to keep my belongings safe 10. a life where I wont get killed for my car Are ten reasons good enough for you? Stop with your "inteligent k*k", grow up and see that the future of our beloved country is far from what we all dream it could be. Those of us who've left, made our choices based on our own circumstances. So stop with your childish rants here on BE and go back to your beloved rainbow nation forums and whinge to your buddies there. I'm sure they have got more time for it than I do! |
Re: Looking to move to SA
Originally Posted by coolie
I never was the Baas and I dont have any syndromes. I made a choice, a choice that gave me
1. a better standard of living 2. a life with less crime 3. a life with equal oportunities 4. a life where I could get a job based on my skills, not the color of my skin 5. a life free from idiots like you who cant see the bigger picture 6. a life where I dont have to live in fear of my wife being gang raped before her purse was stolen. 7. a life where I have the choice of doing what I want to do and not having to worry about it. 8. a life where the opportunities far outweigh the lack thereof 9. a life where I dont have to live in a prison to keep my belongings safe 10. a life where I wont get killed for my car Are ten reasons good enough for you? Stop with your "inteligent k*k", grow up and see that the future of our beloved country is far from what we all dream it could be. Those of us who've left, made our choices based on our own circumstances. So stop with your childish rants here on BE and go back to your beloved rainbow nation forums and whinge to your buddies there. I'm sure they have got more time for it than I do! YAWN :zzz: |
Re: Looking to move to SA
Originally Posted by stormer
YAWN :zzz:
Pathetic. Give us all a break and leave..... :mad: |
Re: Looking to move to SA
Originally Posted by coolie
Is that the best argument you can come up with?
Pathetic. Give us all a break and leave..... :mad: Wake up and smell the coffee bro' before it's too late |
Re: Looking to move to SA
Originally Posted by coolie
Is that the best argument you can come up with?
Pathetic. Give us all a break and leave..... :mad: What can I say,I was taught never to argue with the people that who mentally challenged. And quite honestly your posts do not qualify for the above 60 IQ division. Agh, shame, you made a choice...Cry me a river |
Re: Looking to move to SA
Originally Posted by eliscolin
I found this article on the African Crisis site
Interesting article you posted regarding gang rape and apartheid. Two months ago I was sexually assaulted by a group of four black males. They ranged in age from 21, 16, 14 to 10. The 10 year old wasn't even born during apartheid! The violence of their attack was staggering. I was attacked and beaten up in a driveway in an upmarket suburb. Nothing was taken, as I had nothing on me. They attempted to kill me by suffocation as well but only the indecent assault charge is being pressed due to "lack of evidence". I fought for my life and am fortunate to have survived, albeit with wounds. I've been on ART's and therapy since then but no amount of treatment or rationalisation will make this go away. Last year as well I was almost hijacked twice in the Eastern Cape and only got away by being alert (paranoid?) and driving like a stunt driver. We were woken up last year, on my son's birthday, to our 4 year old daughter's screams. There were four black men in her room. Later that year she was again traumatised by a group of young black kids, raning in age from 7 - 13 who attempted to abduct her from a playground at the local sports club to "make her their girlfriend". Her 10 year old brother and his friend bravely fought them off and screamed for help. She still wakes up screaming at night. That was just 2005, never mind other years before that. Notice that in the rest of Africa, where they didn't have apartheid, there is just as much rape, murder and indeed genocide so what is the excuse for them? Bottom line - I really don't care what the excuse is for this despicable savagery, my family and I are leaving, taking our skills and money with us. Lorna. Nobody should have to go through any of that, let alone a ten year old girl. Your experiences, ring true to many south africans still living there. It's just unfortunate that some people are not able to leave when the sh*t hits. I'm really sorry for you and wish you all the best with your plans on leaving. I know I wouldn't want to stick around... |
Re: Looking to move to SA
Originally Posted by stormer
coolie
What can I say,I was taught never to argue with the people that who mentally challenged. And quite honestly your posts do not qualify for the above 60 IQ division. Agh, shame, you made a choice...Cry me a river It's just like I thought. You have no argument to back yourself up. You're a follower who does not have a mind of his own. You have to wait for somebody to tell you how it is before you can even begin to make sense. Go back to the fools you belong with! |
Re: Looking to move to SA
Originally Posted by sa2oz
I think you will know some of this is BS if you live there. You and Stormer are living in a dream along with Gandulph.
elis, I am extremely sorry you've gone through hell. We were fortunate that none of our family suffered anything more untoward than being burgled a few times. The horrors happened to friends and clients. I think you've made a great decision, and you won't be sorry in the least. |
Re: Looking to move to SA
Originally Posted by coolie
18th strongest economy blah blah blah....
The government sells the gold and keeps the money..... 27% unemployment? Almost a third of the countries eligible working age group not working. 50% of the population living below the poverty line? Come on, stop kidding yourself, the place is getting better, but by the looks of things you have to be of a certain skin color to benefit from this. I'm just calling a spade a spade! Look at somewhere like the uk that has only 6% unemployment?? big effing difference if you ask me oh, and while I'm here... Just like you are sick of people leaving, then bad mouthing the country for the reasons they left. We're sick of people like you who dont have the balls to make the move. Stop whining and go and enjoy that beautiful sunset, while worrying about if you'll get killed tomorrow or not! Nuf said? Why dont you backtrack and read my posts ..... I AM IN THE UK AND AM MOVING BACK !!!!!!!!! NUF SAID ALREADY |
Re: Looking to move to SA
Originally Posted by lenandsons
Hey Coolie
Why dont you backtrack and read my posts ..... I AM IN THE UK AND AM MOVING BACK !!!!!!!!! NUF SAID ALREADY I was having a go at stormer. Good luck with going back. I hope it works out for you. |
Re: Looking to move to SA
I dont entirely agree with this post. I guess it depends entirely on your situation and state of mind but I see South Africa as a progressive democracy with abundant opportunities to innovate. This country is very wealthy. There is lots of money to be made here.
But then there is AA and BEE. What can you do? If you are skilled and white - you will make money. Otherwise if you are unskilled best to stay where you are. If youre black and skilled, welcome, you will be very happy here :-) On crime and fear. This is very much a state of mind thing. My state of mind is not affected by this - call it quantum mechanics or plain good luck - but I dont feel unsafe. Consider your oprions and follow Plato's advice - 'know thyself'
Originally Posted by K&M
Hi schmoo
I thought I should reply to your post, being that I am South African and am at the moment am sitting in my shorts and t-shirt looking at the beautiful Cape Town sunset (sorry - couldn't resist a little dig there!) Seriously - I can't even begin to imagine why you would consider moving to South Africa when most of us here would give anything to be where you are. I suppose the grass is always greener, BUT... As Pablo said, a white male is at a serious disadvantage out here. THERE ARE NO JOBS. And its not like UK where you can do anything to get by, there is nothing. The government is clamping down seriously on Black Empowerment and white males do not fit into their picture at all. I am a young? (34) white female, and even for me, who can sometimes be considered previously disadvantaged (being female), there are no jobs. Being a young male I have to assume that at some stage or another you are going to think about having kids of your own. Bringing children up in South Africa is not a pleasant thought, even for me who has kids of my own (hence us wanting to immigrate to Australia). The school system is extremely bad and the chance of a white child getting into university is not good. (Black kids with marks 20% below white kids' marks get in first because of BE). Kidnapping and rape are common, even in the small community I live in there was an attempted kidnapping outside my child's school two months ago. You cannot allow your child to leave your sight, ever. There is not a single house on my road without a 8 foot high fence. This means that kids never get to play in the road with neighbours' kids, they cannot leave the property. Drunk and driving (and therefore car accidents and deaths) are common everyday occurrences. The death toll for the Christmas season in SA so far is sitting at 1600, and our holidays are not even over yet. And that is saying nothing about crime. We live in constant fear of our lives. We cannot sleep with windows open, even if there are burglar bars. They gassed my husband and myself and kids while we were sleeping so that they could break in and walk around at leisure without us waking up! Why we weren't killed, I don't know, because here they kill you for R20. I could carry on and on and on, but I won't. I must say I would seriously reconsider if I were you. It is very different to come here on holiday than to live here. Sorry to sound so negative, but you have your whole life ahead of you and I don't think you realize the enormity of what you want to undertake. Good luck with your decision Megan |
Re: Looking to move to SA
Originally Posted by capetonian
I dont entirely agree with this post. I guess it depends entirely on your situation and state of mind but I see South Africa as a progressive democracy with abundant opportunities to innovate. This country is very wealthy. There is lots of money to be made here.
But then there is AA and BEE. What can you do? If you are skilled and white - you will make money. Otherwise if you are unskilled best to stay where you are. If youre black and skilled, welcome, you will be very happy here :-) On crime and fear. This is very much a state of mind thing. My state of mind is not affected by this - call it quantum mechanics or plain good luck - but I dont feel unsafe. Consider your oprions and follow Plato's advice - 'know thyself' As far as skilled and white, I dont really think this applies either. Where we are living every month there are more skilled whites arriving because no opppotunities presented themselves. I am one of those. Granted there is crime here in Australia too. The difference is that when crime is reported on the news, say a shooting or stabbing, whithin 48 hrs there are arrests, hence. Then happiness, now there is a state of mind. Lots of the people here are unhappy, because they dont understand they are closer to paradise. As an english speaking white person in RSA, you were a second class citizen according to the Afrikaaaners in government. Now you are in the same position with the afrikaaners, ranking 10th. As to being skilled white having opportunities, I would like your definition of opportunity. |
Re: Looking to move to SA
Good post, Sa2oz
This week's Economist has a special feature section on SA, and while I have my reservations about The Economist occasionally, nevertheless it does avoid most of the usual superficial nonsense you find elsewhere. One stat caught my eye - that there are as many as 500,000 vacancies in SA that cannot be filled because the skills just aren't there. This, at the same time that so many people are reporting they just cannot get jobs because they are white. The context of this particular article was that the SA gov't is unlikely to be able to deliver on its planned infrastructure projects because the skills aren't there. Reading between the lines, I get the sense that the recent breakdown at Koeberg had something to do with this same lack of skills - and friends of mine still in SA tell me the same is happening with other infrastructure - power supply in Joburg, water supply, sewage treatment, municipal government. A relatively complex and sophisticated economy like SA relies on a backbone of middling skilled people - the kind of people who are not natural emigrators, and who are not the kind of high-flying SAP consultant types who can just helicopter in (and out) whenever it suits them - they are the steady "ordinary" people who make sure the power and water and sewage and traffic lights and municipal services work, who want to do a straightforward job to the best of their ability, raise a family, have reasonable security and leisure, and hand something on to their children. If these people are driven out I fear they won't easily be replaced. Once again, this week, I heard (on a tv prog. about SA) the silly claim from a SA black that "it's our time now" - used in the sense that it our time to get our hands into the till. I wonder how pervasive that attitude is. Pablo |
Re: Looking to move to SA
And here is the start of the 'zimbabwefication' of S.A.
http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/Article...spx?ID=1976826 Aspirant farmers reap ruin Slide of flourishing estate highlights failure of land redistribution programme "‘Most of these farms are lying barren. We admit our mistake and will correct this mistake’" Print Send to a friend PREGA GOVENDER EIGHT years ago La Boheme was the envy of Limpopo’s mango farmers. Situated in Trichardtsdal, neighbouring Hoedspruit and Tzaneen, which is collectively the country’s biggest mango-producing area, the 450ha farm boasted an annual turnover of about R3-million. At the time, La Boheme’s owner, Leon Bondesio, built a palatial double-storey house on the farm with sweeping views of the Drakensberg escarpment. In 1998, the Department of Agriculture and Land Affairs bought the farm for R4.5-million and handed it over to 383 aspirant black farmers as part of the national land reform programme. The initiative, known as a Settlement and Land Acquisition Grant (SLAG), made available a grant of R16000 per household, so that residents could pool their money to buy a farm. The purchase of La Boheme by the then Minister for Agriculture and Land Affairs, Derek Hanekom, was lauded in Parliament through a notice of motion congratulating Hanekom for “signalling†the ANC-led government’s commitment to implement a land redistribution policy. But today, La Boheme’s mango orchards, comprising around 50000 trees, are untended and overgrown with dense alien vegetation. The double-storey house, which was to have been converted into an upmarket lodge, has been stripped bare. Bit by bit, the new owners removed the ceilings, doors and windows, using the timber for improvements to their informal dwellings and for firewood. Read the rest at the link Boiling frogs indeed. |
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