Originally Posted by lenandsons

Funny that seeing as how SA is rated as having the 18th strongest economy in the world. Crime figures have been coming down, as has unemplyment etc etc. Yes there are definate challenges ahead, but that makes it more interesting. As you have spent most of your life outside SA, by your own admission, I feel that you look at it from a 1 sided and very emotional perspective. As a direct crime victim you view the country in a bad light, as would a Brit who experienced crime in the UK etc. Maybe you should think about backing off and looking at your own doom and gloom version !!!

Originally Posted by lenandsons

That is the plan DOLL you and cannot wait. As for being stupid well that is the ritch coming from you!!!
Actually I am no ANC supporter so follow your own advice but then again, someone like you ... YAWN you are a waste of effort.
Oh and talking about constitutions .... SA constitution is widely regarded as the best in the world !! Hmmmmm amazing that, especially when the US constitution when drafted treated all men a sequal.... as long as you were white Anglo Saxon !!!!!!!!! Great model that one !!!!!

Originally Posted by banjo

Izibear....I suggest neither of us waste our breath. lenandsons obviously knows far more than anyone else on the subject and isn't interested in an intelligent debate.

Have you ever been on the Rainbow Nation forum? I've had a look there a few times as I was hoping there would be the same friendly atmosphere as there is on the British boards. Unfortunately, lenandsons sounds EXACTLY like a lot of the posters on the Rainbow Nation boards. Very defensive and antagonistic.

To the OP.....if you're still reading this rather unfortunate thread. All the best on whatever you decide. Those of us who are spreading 'doom and gloom' are not doing it because we hate the country. Many thousands of Saffers who have left would dearly love to return to the country they were born and raised in, but after seeing what has happened in Zimbabwe and looking at SA at the moment you have to make as good a decision as you can without being psychic.

For your interest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4273890.stm

Originally Posted by schmoo

Banjo, yes, i have been keeping an eye on this thread, interesting. However, i do know what's going on here (with a few board members) as opposed to the matter in hand that i asked. So i can filter information that needs to be. It's not going to be a decision made lightly in any case. I will return to SA a few more times yet before anything concrete happens. Thanks again for all your (& others) replies.

Originally Posted by izibear

Oh, you still using THAT old lemon? Give it up doll, just makes you look stupid.

1. I live in a country that has FREE SPEECH written into its constitution. That doesn't have ARMED COPS standing around in my printing room ensuring that I won't release a story regarding CORRUPTION in government, as they did to the Mail and Guardian a few months ago, therefore I will say whatever the heck I want to, get it?

2. You don't know a single thing about any of us. The reasons why we left, if we were involved in the struggle at any level, or even what color we're are, you're making assumptions and thereby making yourself look like an ass.

3. South Africa, the wealthiest nation on the continent, is heading in exactly the same direction as the rest of the continent, due to people like you. Sheeple who are following their ANC masters. There are a few people in S.A. who have the balls to call a s spade, one of them being the current president's own BROTHER who has stated that the uncontrolled corruption at every level of government is a huge problem.

4. I wish Tambo, Mabeka, Masekela, etc..had been positive about S.A. when they were exiles. After all, they had no right to voice their opinions on South Africa seeing they didn't even live there. See how stupid that makes you sound?

5. Please go back to S.A., as you're the perfect ANC lemming and truly belong there with that attitude.

Originally Posted by stormer

Hey izibear
I see you're still carrying on with your intelligent k*k.
I'll report you to your mom and dad, and they'll spank you.

Originally Posted by Pablo

Stormer

Rather than throwing out the smattering of Afrikaans abuse-words you've managed to pick up, why don't you give Schmoo the benefit of your advice and experience, considering you're in South Africa. How long have you been there now? You must surely be capable of offering some sort of honest and balanced appraisal of both good and bad.

Pablo

Originally Posted by schmoo

Yes.. please do!

Originally Posted by schmoo

Yes.. please do!

Originally Posted by lenandsons

To get some facts, take a look at this link

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/sf.html

Originally Posted by coolie

18th strongest economy blah blah blah....

The government sells the gold and keeps the money.....

27% unemployment? Almost a third of the countries eligible working age group not working.
50% of the population living below the poverty line?
Come on, stop kidding yourself, the place is getting better, but by the looks of things you have to be of a certain skin color to benefit from this. I'm just calling a spade a spade!

Look at somewhere like the uk that has only 6% unemployment??

big effing difference if you ask me

oh, and while I'm here...
Just like you are sick of people leaving, then bad mouthing the country for the reasons they left. We're sick of people like you who dont have the balls to make the move. Stop whining and go and enjoy that beautiful sunset, while worrying about if you'll get killed tomorrow or not!

Nuf said?