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Old Jan 7th 2015, 7:29 pm
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Difficult to find the offending cartoons, you would have thought they would have been everywhere.

Think this is one.
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Old Jan 7th 2015, 7:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
Islam does not inherently make females inferior.
It is common for the religion to be interpreted such as to entrench gender inequality in the majority of Muslim countries.
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And the US government tacitly support the Saudi's in their oppressive patriarchal regime for financial and political interest - then the media get to say the Saudi's are oppressive, and then everyone generalises that to all Muslims are bad ... and so the cycle continues.

It works both ways.
I'm not disagreeing that "all" western governments turned a blind eye but the Saudi government supported the hard line madrasas in Saudi Arabia and around the world that brainwashed the public thinking that would keep them in power but then those educated in the madrasas turned on the Saudis.

Every country has a hardline faction but every Muslim country has a majority that supports strict adherence to Shari law.

Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam - The Washington Post

New Pew Research Center Study Examines Political and Social Beliefs of Muslims - Alicia Powe

But on the other hand, if it is not their form of extremism, they are now getting concerned.

Concerns about Islamic Extremism on the Rise in Middle East | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project
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It is common for the religion to be interpreted such as to entrench gender inequality in the majority of Muslim countries.
Which Muslim countries are the minorities?
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It is common for the religion to be interpreted such as to entrench gender inequality in the majority of Muslim countries.
You said inherently.

It was actually way ahead of Christianity until recent times, as Hoffage pointed out.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Genesis 3:16

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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
You said inherently.

It was actually way ahead of Christianity until recent times, as Hoffage pointed out.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Genesis 3:16
Sure if you go back to its foundings then it may well compare favourably.

Times have changed.
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I say inherently because although Muhammad granted females rights that they didn't have in earlier times his interpretations/teaching made it clear that females were unequal to males.

And regarding Christianity, at least secular Governments have granted equality rights to women that wouldn't have been attributed under Christianity alone.

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Which Muslim countries are the minorities?
Was leaving the door open...
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I say inherently because although Muhammad granted females rights that they didn't have in earlier times his interpretations/teaching made it clear that females were unequal to males.
What exactly has this got to do with the question at hand? Islam = bad. So what do you do? Work on female equality, which is far from a given in many non-Muslim countries? Ban Islam? Stop migration of Muslims? Genuinely not seeing the connection.
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I say inherently because although Muhammad granted females rights that they didn't have in earlier times his interpretations/teaching made it clear that females were unequal to males.

And regarding Christianity, at least secular Governments have granted equality rights to women that wouldn't have been attributed under Christianity alone.
Like I said, our interventions have tended to overturn secular governments and actually lead to radicalisation.
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What exactly has this got to do with the question at hand? Islam = bad. So what do you do? Work on female equality, which is far from a given in many non-Muslim countries? Ban Islam? Stop migration of Muslims? Genuinely not seeing the connection.
My money would be on do nothing.
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What exactly has this got to do with the question at hand? Islam = bad. So what do you do? Work on female equality, which is far from a given in many non-Muslim countries? Ban Islam? Stop migration of Muslims? Genuinely not seeing the connection.
I wasn't suggesting any solution. My point was in response to Hoffage. That in my opinion Islam was indeed bad due to its entrenchment of female inequality, similar to some other religions.
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Like I said, our interventions have tended to overturn secular governments and actually lead to radicalisation.
That's also true.
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Difficult to find the offending cartoons, you would have thought they would have been everywhere.

Think this is one.

I have had one of them posted up by one of my facebook friends. I think I'll refrain from reposting it here though. You never know LOL
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Islam is in its dark ages. I refrained from posting this at FB because I have a couple of Muslim friends that I do like.

Sad, sad.
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