"You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
Jun 13th 2021, 10:51 am
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Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
And 88% is considerably better than that.
Or, to put it the other way, with the AZ vaccine, there's a 4 in 10 chance of catching the Delta variant of Covid-19 from a significant exposure event, vs a roughly 1 in 8 chance with the Pfizer jab. I know which risk profile I'd rather have.
We can play these numbers games all day. In the end, in Australia, they come down to a personal assessment of risk, based on:
- the immediate vs future availability of one vaccine path vs another (AZ vs Pfizer, vs the likely availability of Moderna)
- personal/family proximity to hotel quarantine environments, and potential breaches of those (roughly 1 breach per 11 days, across Australia)
- personal/family proximity to community case spread, when a hotel quarantine breach is not immediately contained
Note that we're nowhere near "herd immunity" in any part of Australia, whether from vaccination or previous experience of the disease, asymptomatic or otherwise. So I'm not about to be guilted into accepting the AZ vaccine "for the sake of the herd", as if that were a goal at all close to achievement, "but for" my immediate participation.
Rather, if the herd wants me (and many like me) to join them, recognise my concerns. Offer us Pfizer / Moderna jabs instead of AZ, without age-related discrimination.
And, recognise that we're the easiest cohort of the currently unvaccinated to resolve--just give us the jab we want. Compared to the truly "hesitant", let alone the anti-vaxxers, we're 'low hanging fruit' in the overall vaccination program.
Or, to put it the other way, with the AZ vaccine, there's a 4 in 10 chance of catching the Delta variant of Covid-19 from a significant exposure event, vs a roughly 1 in 8 chance with the Pfizer jab. I know which risk profile I'd rather have.
We can play these numbers games all day. In the end, in Australia, they come down to a personal assessment of risk, based on:
- the immediate vs future availability of one vaccine path vs another (AZ vs Pfizer, vs the likely availability of Moderna)
- personal/family proximity to hotel quarantine environments, and potential breaches of those (roughly 1 breach per 11 days, across Australia)
- personal/family proximity to community case spread, when a hotel quarantine breach is not immediately contained
Note that we're nowhere near "herd immunity" in any part of Australia, whether from vaccination or previous experience of the disease, asymptomatic or otherwise. So I'm not about to be guilted into accepting the AZ vaccine "for the sake of the herd", as if that were a goal at all close to achievement, "but for" my immediate participation.
Rather, if the herd wants me (and many like me) to join them, recognise my concerns. Offer us Pfizer / Moderna jabs instead of AZ, without age-related discrimination.
And, recognise that we're the easiest cohort of the currently unvaccinated to resolve--just give us the jab we want. Compared to the truly "hesitant", let alone the anti-vaxxers, we're 'low hanging fruit' in the overall vaccination program.
And 2 in definitely
Jun 14th 2021, 5:40 am
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Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
You don't have to have AZ for ever.
By thinking just about you and your magical October date you are just putting more pressure on everyone else. It's a numbers game mate. The more people vaxxed, the more Australia will have the confidence to open up.. Get your AZ and stop thinking about you.
By thinking just about you and your magical October date you are just putting more pressure on everyone else. It's a numbers game mate. The more people vaxxed, the more Australia will have the confidence to open up.. Get your AZ and stop thinking about you.
Jun 15th 2021, 4:32 am
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Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
Maybe it's time to rethink the cut-off age for the AZ vaccine...
"It may be time to consider now that we do offer Pfizer vaccine for the 50 to 59-year-old age group,"
Oops.
"It may be time to consider now that we do offer Pfizer vaccine for the 50 to 59-year-old age group,"
Oops.
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Jun 15th 2021, 4:42 am
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Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
Maybe it's time to rethink the cut-off age for the AZ vaccine...
"It may be time to consider now that we do offer Pfizer vaccine for the 50 to 59-year-old age group,"
Oops.
"It may be time to consider now that we do offer Pfizer vaccine for the 50 to 59-year-old age group,"
Oops.
Jun 15th 2021, 5:39 am
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Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
There have been 2 deaths associated with the AZ vaccine. None associated with the Pfizer jab.
Puts in perspective the "rarity of the problem with the AZ vaccine" argument, doesn't it?
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But again, from my perspective, the extra risk associated with the AZ jab isn't the true problem with it. Lack of efficacy is, compared to the mRNA vaccines, plus the "not invented here" thinking of Australian heath authorities when it comes to either:
- offering Pfizer / Moderna vaccines to over-50s at all
- supporting (hell, even allowing) a mixed-vaccine approach, based on patient preference.
Indeed, "patient preference" is a concept that seems alien to Australian health authorities. The nanny-state instinct, never far from the surface in Australian health-care (in any other country, have you ever had to explain so much to your doctor or chemist, for every single refill of even simple prescriptions?), has run rampant during the Covid-19 crisis.
Jun 15th 2021, 6:04 am
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Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
In 2021, in Australia, there has been only 1 death from the Covid-19 virus itself (an overseas-contracted case, at that), in April.
There have been 2 deaths associated with the AZ vaccine. None associated with the Pfizer jab.
Puts in perspective the "rarity of the problem with the AZ vaccine" argument, doesn't it?
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But again, from my perspective, the extra risk associated with the AZ jab isn't the true problem with it. Lack of efficacy is, compared to the mRNA vaccines, plus the "not invented here" thinking of Australian heath authorities when it comes to either:
- offering Pfizer / Moderna vaccines to over-50s at all
- supporting (hell, even allowing) a mixed-vaccine approach, based on patient preference.
Indeed, "patient preference" is a concept that seems alien to Australian health authorities. The nanny-state instinct, never far from the surface in Australian health-care (in any other country, have you ever had to explain so much to your doctor or chemist, for every single refill of even simple prescriptions?), has run rampant during the Covid-19 crisis.
There have been 2 deaths associated with the AZ vaccine. None associated with the Pfizer jab.
Puts in perspective the "rarity of the problem with the AZ vaccine" argument, doesn't it?
***
But again, from my perspective, the extra risk associated with the AZ jab isn't the true problem with it. Lack of efficacy is, compared to the mRNA vaccines, plus the "not invented here" thinking of Australian heath authorities when it comes to either:
- offering Pfizer / Moderna vaccines to over-50s at all
- supporting (hell, even allowing) a mixed-vaccine approach, based on patient preference.
Indeed, "patient preference" is a concept that seems alien to Australian health authorities. The nanny-state instinct, never far from the surface in Australian health-care (in any other country, have you ever had to explain so much to your doctor or chemist, for every single refill of even simple prescriptions?), has run rampant during the Covid-19 crisis.
Australia has done an exceptionally good job of keeping this thing at bay, too good in fact and that's why we have the luxury of being hesitant. My personal feeling is that it'll bite us in the arse and we'll be stuck in our bubble while the rest of the world moves on.
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Jun 15th 2021, 7:27 am
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Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
Just got my second AZ today in Windsor On.
doing my bit to get us out of this mess,man up all the doughters .maybe they enjoy wearing masks 😷.
some people are ugly mind 😂 take care all
doing my bit to get us out of this mess,man up all the doughters .maybe they enjoy wearing masks 😷.
some people are ugly mind 😂 take care all
Jun 17th 2021, 4:33 am
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Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
Interesting news
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...cine/100222464
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...cine/100222464
Jun 17th 2021, 6:19 am
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Interesting news
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...cine/100222464
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...cine/100222464
Jun 17th 2021, 6:43 am
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Interesting news
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...cine/100222464
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...cine/100222464
Booked my Pfizer shot 20 mins after hearing the news.!!
Mind you, I'll have to wait 3 weeks, but hey, that's life in the big city.
Jun 17th 2021, 11:23 pm
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Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
I have a feel the Pfizer shots are coming it faster than expected, so this is a bit of a U-turn to save face.