why people leave the uk
Nov 9th 2007, 8:09 pm
#166
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Re: why people leave the uk
Great thread, great debate, we all have our own views, its what makes us all unique, beats the norm on here, please do not close off.
Nov 9th 2007, 8:10 pm
#167
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Re: why people leave the uk
Oz immigrants from the UK are leaving a good place to live, the immigrants to the UK aren't.
Because you're skilled you believe you have the right to improve your life and because they're poor and unskilled how dare they seek something better?
Nov 9th 2007, 8:11 pm
#168
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Re: why people leave the uk
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...29/npro329.xml
Falklands alert
Harold Wilson was told by his Defence Secretary that he must find a political solution to Argentine demands to reclaim the Falkland Islands because defending the South Atlantic outpost would require a brigade of troops and was untenable.
Roy Mason told the Prime Minister in February that, six years before they finally invaded, the Argentines would have no difficulty in occupying the Falklands and if Britain wanted to defend its interests in the oil that was known to exist around them, it could not do so militarily.The existence of oil was the key to a deal, Wilson was told.
But the only political answer James Callaghan, then Foreign Secretary, could come up with was an offer of an arrangement by which the islands would be ceded to Argentina and then rented back to Britain. The islanders rejected this in 1980.
Falklands alert
Harold Wilson was told by his Defence Secretary that he must find a political solution to Argentine demands to reclaim the Falkland Islands because defending the South Atlantic outpost would require a brigade of troops and was untenable.
Roy Mason told the Prime Minister in February that, six years before they finally invaded, the Argentines would have no difficulty in occupying the Falklands and if Britain wanted to defend its interests in the oil that was known to exist around them, it could not do so militarily.The existence of oil was the key to a deal, Wilson was told.
But the only political answer James Callaghan, then Foreign Secretary, could come up with was an offer of an arrangement by which the islands would be ceded to Argentina and then rented back to Britain. The islanders rejected this in 1980.
.....Yegods!!The Thatcher government was the most corrupt, cynical and incompetent government the UK has ever seen......one day they will be reunited in Hell.
The only good thing they did was to ensure that the Tories will struggle as a political party for ever.
G
Nov 9th 2007, 8:13 pm
#169
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Re: why people leave the uk
There is no comparison as on the one hand you have immigrants to Oz who want a lifestyle change and on the other you have others who are trying to get away from poverty.
Oz immigrants from the UK are leaving a good place to live, the immigrants to the UK aren't.
Because you're skilled you believe you have the right to improve your life and because they're poor and unskilled how dare they seek something better?
Oz immigrants from the UK are leaving a good place to live, the immigrants to the UK aren't.
Because you're skilled you believe you have the right to improve your life and because they're poor and unskilled how dare they seek something better?
Bloody excellent post Fraser, so well put, only took us 12 pages
Nov 9th 2007, 8:13 pm
#170
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Re: why people leave the uk
Quoting the Telegraph now .....Yegods!!
The Thatcher government was the most corrupt, cynical and incompetent government the UK has ever seen......one day they will be reunited in Hell.
The only good thing they did was to ensure that the Tories will struggle as a political party for ever.
G
.....Yegods!!The Thatcher government was the most corrupt, cynical and incompetent government the UK has ever seen......one day they will be reunited in Hell.
The only good thing they did was to ensure that the Tories will struggle as a political party for ever.
G
Nov 9th 2007, 8:15 pm
#171
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Re: why people leave the uk
OK so cause the legal age is 16 your kids going to go and try it cause its legal. Teenagers will try what they want when they want and whatever team they want without any consideration of whats legal, its called hormones.BTW have you thought of changing your name to aussie gay phobe, jeez you would be a worry down Bondi way wouldnt you
I think that it's a bit bizarre that a gov't reduces the age of homosexual buggery from 18 to 16 yet raises the age of cigarette smoking from 16 to 18. I repeat that if my son had to indulge in one of these pursuits at 16 I would rather it was the latter. I think most males have tried cigarette smoking before they're 16 but not homosexual intercourse. It's too young to indulge in such perverse behaviour and be condoned by the law.
Nov 9th 2007, 8:17 pm
#173
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Re: why people leave the uk
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...29/npro329.xml
Falklands alert
Harold Wilson was told by his Defence Secretary that he must find a political solution to Argentine demands to reclaim the Falkland Islands because defending the South Atlantic outpost would require a brigade of troops and was untenable.
Roy Mason told the Prime Minister in February that, six years before they finally invaded, the Argentines would have no difficulty in occupying the Falklands and if Britain wanted to defend its interests in the oil that was known to exist around them, it could not do so militarily.The existence of oil was the key to a deal, Wilson was told.
But the only political answer James Callaghan, then Foreign Secretary, could come up with was an offer of an arrangement by which the islands would be ceded to Argentina and then rented back to Britain. The islanders rejected this in 1980.
Falklands alert
Harold Wilson was told by his Defence Secretary that he must find a political solution to Argentine demands to reclaim the Falkland Islands because defending the South Atlantic outpost would require a brigade of troops and was untenable.
Roy Mason told the Prime Minister in February that, six years before they finally invaded, the Argentines would have no difficulty in occupying the Falklands and if Britain wanted to defend its interests in the oil that was known to exist around them, it could not do so militarily.The existence of oil was the key to a deal, Wilson was told.
But the only political answer James Callaghan, then Foreign Secretary, could come up with was an offer of an arrangement by which the islands would be ceded to Argentina and then rented back to Britain. The islanders rejected this in 1980.
The operation was ordered by James Callaghan after fifty Argentine "scientists" landed on Southern Thule prompting fears of an Argentine invasion of the Falklands. The Argentinians set up a military base on Thule. It is likely the prompt action prevented a more serious attack. The force planned under heavy security was led by the nuclear submarine HMS Dreadnought and also consisted of two frigates, Alacrity and Phoebe, and the auxiliaries Resource and Olwen as support vessels. The Argentines rapidly became aware of the taskforce's presence but their forces remained on Thule and Callaghan decided against the use of force to evict them.
The foreign secretary at the time David Owen later claimed that if Margaret Thatcher's government had taken similarly quick action five years later, the Argentinians would not have invaded in 1982 leading to the Falklands War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Journeyman
And lets add to this the fact that when Argentina invaded, Thatcher was in the process of trying to flog the brand new HMS Invincible to Australia.
Nov 9th 2007, 8:22 pm
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Nov 9th 2007, 8:25 pm
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Re: why people leave the uk
You're completely missing the point! Of course most 16 year old boys won't indulge in homosexuality whether it's legal or not. From that crass arguement why not make it legal at any age?
I think that it's a bit bizarre that a gov't reduces the age of homosexual buggery from 18 to 16 yet raises the age of cigarette smoking from 16 to 18. I repeat that if my son had to indulge in one of these pursuits at 16 I would rather it was the latter. I think most males have tried cigarette smoking before they're 16 but not homosexual intercourse. It's too young to indulge in such perverse behaviour and be condoned by the law.
I think that it's a bit bizarre that a gov't reduces the age of homosexual buggery from 18 to 16 yet raises the age of cigarette smoking from 16 to 18. I repeat that if my son had to indulge in one of these pursuits at 16 I would rather it was the latter. I think most males have tried cigarette smoking before they're 16 but not homosexual intercourse. It's too young to indulge in such perverse behaviour and be condoned by the law.
So UK's going to have the same law most of australia already has. Maybe UK's just catching up with us
Nov 9th 2007, 8:34 pm
#176
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Re: why people leave the uk
You're completely missing the point! Of course most 16 year old boys won't indulge in homosexuality whether it's legal or not. From that crass arguement why not make it legal at any age?
I think that it's a bit bizarre that a gov't reduces the age of homosexual buggery from 18 to 16 yet raises the age of cigarette smoking from 16 to 18. I repeat that if my son had to indulge in one of these pursuits at 16 I would rather it was the latter. I think most males have tried cigarette smoking before they're 16 but not homosexual intercourse. It's too young to indulge in such perverse behaviour and be condoned by the law.
I think that it's a bit bizarre that a gov't reduces the age of homosexual buggery from 18 to 16 yet raises the age of cigarette smoking from 16 to 18. I repeat that if my son had to indulge in one of these pursuits at 16 I would rather it was the latter. I think most males have tried cigarette smoking before they're 16 but not homosexual intercourse. It's too young to indulge in such perverse behaviour and be condoned by the law.
I'm sure not all males who have been intimate with another male have buggered each other, just something else for you to think about.
Nov 9th 2007, 8:37 pm
#177
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Re: why people leave the uk
There is no link between homosexuality and paedophilia.
Paedophiles can be hetero or homo sexual.
Your misinformed ramblings are offensive. Please keep them to yourself.
Nov 9th 2007, 8:43 pm
#178
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Re: why people leave the uk
Nov 9th 2007, 8:44 pm
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Re: why people leave the uk
You think most males have tried smoking before 16? And females? I can't be arsed to google but I seem to remember more females smoke than males.
I'm sure not all males who have been intimate with another male have buggered each other, just something else for you to think about.
I'm sure not all males who have been intimate with another male have buggered each other, just something else for you to think about.
The point about whether more 16 year old females smoke than 16 year old males is irrelevant to this discussion.
I would rather my teenage lad experimented with cigarettes than homosexuality (maybe you think differently)and I think it's perverse that the gov't has reduced the legal age to 16 for homosexual buggery yet raised the age of smoking to 18, as the former is hardly a healthy lifestyle to indulge in at such a young age.
Nov 9th 2007, 8:50 pm
#180
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Re: why people leave the uk
Therefore if u accept that men abusing boys is a homosexual act proportionally far more abuse is carried by homosexuals.