DCS

can i ask what a welder 1st class is? sorry i'll re-phrase that, what dose the 1st class element of the welder 1st class mean?

i'm going to train as a welder and hopfully gain employment part time to gain the required exsperance needed. i know its going to be a long hall but i'm in no rush. i just cant see anyothere option.

in fact any welders who want to enlighten me PLEASE feel free to private message me so i can pic your brain!

varsanik

In basic a 1st Class Welder would be the "Ferrari", 2nd Class "Mercedes" and 3rd Class "Ford".

You may want to take a look at the following link for further info: http://www.myfuture.edu.au/Search/Re...itecontent=all


Welder (First Class)

Fabricates and repairs metal products by welding metals.

Duties and Tasks

studies blueprints, drawings or specifications to determine appropriate welding processes and other job requirements
cleans and prepares metal surfaces for welding by flame-cutting, thermal cutting, gouging, bevelling, grinding or filing
preheats thick materials to required temperatures fits attachments, connects hoses to gas tanks, or wires to power sources of equipment used in welding operations
adjusts controls to regulate gas pressure, voltage or amperage opens valves or switches and lights torches, strikes arcs or starts machines
guides torches or electrodes along lines of weld manually or by operating machine controls
cleans and smooths welds by filing, chiselling or grinding cuts metal shapes using flame and thermal cutting torches
may set up welding machines for other operators



Welder (2nd and 3rd Class)

Duties and Tasks

Metal trades assistants may:

position and hold metal stock or products to enable work to be carried out
perform assembly and dismantling operations, such as screwing or bolting
solder or spot weld components using electrical spot or butt welding machines
operate power hammers, presses or other cutting and shaping tools and machines
transport tools, materials and workpieces to and from sites or workbenches
hand tools to tradespersons and hold tools not immediately required
clean and prepare working surfaces.


Another simple way to find info is to google the topic you are looking for, it easy if you try it and it works for most things.

DCS

thank you so much for your reply!

silly really but i tend not to use google for info because normally its just pages and pages of companys selling junk. due to googles adwords policys googles positions are open to the highest bidders.

brandyslad

Hey there, my OH is a welder and has looked at some jobs, are you going to train as a MIG or a TIG welder? There are other types but these seem to be the most common. A lot of the jobs he has looked at require welders to all kinds of welding, whereas in Ireland welders tend to train in one type of welding and then specialise in that e.g my OH is a MIG welder and that is what the majority of welders round here do as that is the focus in the engineering sector. TIG seems to better paid and I know he has looked into doing some fast track TIG courses and has approached a local employer about getting some hands on experience with him to go with it. They also all want lots of papers, he has done his NVQs 2 and 3 and an apprenticeship, he also has a forklift licence as he uses this daily.

If you any questions send us a message and I can ask him, I know from chatting to him about how complicated it can be to understand the ins and outs of the welding world!! We have seen some very well paid welding jobs advertised however they are in extreme conditons where they perhaps fly you into an area for 6 weeks and then out again for two. Living in a sort of camp environment. Harsh but that's why he pay is so good. A fella's brother who works with him went out to Dubai to weld for 6 months and came back with some absoultely ridiculous amount of money but then it would be torture welding out there!

Should have added he would be a first class welder going by description above, he reads his own drawings etc and sets up chassis and equipment for welding.

We are going on my profession though as it is easier visa wise.

DCS

The course i'm hoping to do is in mig and tig. I'll be a total novice but ive been watching videos on youtube to not look like to much of a plonker.

Its an evening course one night a week from Jan till June for a city & guilds. On completion of that I'll be able to take the NVQ's. i'm quite good at picking things up and operating machinery as in the army i had to master many weapon systems and don't have any problems picking it up. I do however have problems retaining writen information we will just have to take it as it comes.

Where i shall have a problem is gaining the necessary experience. I currently work for my self in a quite well paid job so for me to take a full time welding job with no experience where i currently live I'd be taking quite a big pay cut. My plan is to find a local firm who will be willing to have me in on a part time basis couple of days a week or weekends. Then I'd be able to build a history of experience as well as earn from my current job. well thats the plan anyway.

This is probaly the most drawn out way of achieving a dream on here but its hopefully going to suit us as we dont intend to move foe 3 years anyway because we want our little girl to be a bit older before such a change. That and we have just fixed our morgage for 3 years. Just before the rate cut i might add:curse:

How far in to your process are you guys? And what are of OZ you hoping to move to? We want to go to Perth. I've also looked at a few job sights and there seem to be a lot of welding jobs in WA due to the mining boom.

Dorothy

Bear in mind that the work experience part of getting a visa is for full-time work. You will need to show you have been working in your trade on a full time basis, not just a couple of days a week or weekends.

DCS

where dose it say full time?

Dorothy

From the DIAC website:

Recent work experience requirement
To meet the recent work experience requirement, you must demonstrate that you have been employed in an occupation on the Skilled Occupation List (SOL) for 12 of the 24 months immediately before lodging your visa application.
See: Form 1121i Skilled Occupation List (SOL) and Employer Nomination Scheme Occupation List (ENSOL) (129KB PDF file)

To meet this requirement you must have been employed at a skilled level for at least 20 hours a week.

DCS

20 hours a week is part time.

well in my opinion it is. i could do 2 ten hour days in the week and work a Saturday doing my normal job to make up the loss of earnings.

40 hours a week is full time, well it was last time i looked.

9 to 5=8hour 5x8=40

yea you could - 5 hours for lunch if your boss is a nob but most employers in manual jobs pay lunch breaks because most manual workers insist. either way i'm sure an employer is not going to be that petty.

geordie downunder

The basic is a first class welder went through a 4 or 5 yr apprenticeship.After 6 yrs welding here you can apply for a tradesmans rights recognition.

I have no idea how people train now as I served my time in the Tyne shipyards in late 60's early 70's.We trained to coded standards with the usual block release to tech.

Training was mainly stick (MMAW),submerged arc and MIG. Mig is now MIGS or MAGS due to various inert and active gases used as shielding.

Over here TIG is mainly used for high class root work then can be stick fill and cap or flux cored fill and cap.

In the main work would be flux cored usually using 7100S wire with CO2 shielding.

I don't work on the tools now unless I am helping people through tests and showing them how to do it.

You are more valuable as an employee if you are multi process coded (MMAW,MIGS/MAGS,TIG,FCAW) on a variety of metals.The common metals would be Carbon steel,titanium and Stainless steel.The duplex and super duplex alloys would be fairly well used depending on the industry (xeron ,200/400 series stainless steels)

TAFE (tech ) has night courses for AS 1796 certification.Common ones would be 3E for plate ( 1F,3F,2G,5G with stick (MMAW) ).4 is pipe 2G and 5G and 7 is pipe with TIG 2G and 5G.MIG pipe would be done with either CDT or STT and would be 2G and 5G.The info could be out of date as it is at least 15 yrs since I took any interest in TAFE quals,as soon as I completed everything that was it.Most of it was just re-doing city and guilds and welding technicians in the UK.No idea how they do over there now.

DCS

thanks for the feed back Mr here's the 1st course i'm hoping to do.

http://www.thecollege.co.uk/courses/?cid=22362

and then move on to.

http://www.thecollege.co.uk/courses/?cid=22136

the technical information dont mean a great deal to me yet as I've not started the course yet but hopeful once ive get my hands on some books I'll know more about what you mean.

i know a father/son firm locally they manufacture products from contracts. they do all manner of welds i'm hoping they will help me by letting be gain experience with them. failing that there are a lot of industrial fabricators in and around my town. and a big lac of hard working young men. oh and of course women. they all want desk jobs or to work in the supermarkets for easy no training cash!

DCS

sorry the 1st link is wrong ment to put this one in.

http://www.thecollege.co.uk/courses/?cid=22188