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kutskrazy Apr 15th 2005 12:41 pm

Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 
Hi everyone.
We are planning to go to Oz in 2007, which gives me two acedemic years to take a teaching award (with hard work!!). My question is..is it worth doing? I have been hairdressing for twenty something years, have recently completed some retraining to update my skills and am currently running my own mobile business. Half of me thinks it is worth the hard work to keep all my options open when we arrive...but what do you think?
Thanx in anticipation
kutskrazy

lisaxxx Apr 19th 2005 9:12 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by kutskrazy
Hi everyone.
We are planning to go to Oz in 2007, which gives me two acedemic years to take a teaching award (with hard work!!). My question is..is it worth doing? I have been hairdressing for twenty something years, have recently completed some retraining to update my skills and am currently running my own mobile business. Half of me thinks it is worth the hard work to keep all my options open when we arrive...but what do you think?
Thanx in anticipation
kutskrazy

Hi
I would suggest you just get here and start working as you will find work easily and you will earn more hairdressing than you would teaching. Stylists are demanding at least $700 pw plus comm which if you go on my figures for this week, you would be getting around $1200 pw. Not bad eh!!
Lisa

kutskrazy Apr 20th 2005 10:20 am

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by lisaxxx
Hi
I would suggest you just get here and start working as you will find work easily and you will earn more hairdressing than you would teaching. Stylists are demanding at least $700 pw plus comm which if you go on my figures for this week, you would be getting around $1200 pw. Not bad eh!!
Lisa

Hi Lisa, thanks for the reply...thats quite a good wage! I see you are in the brisbane area..is your salon in the city..would quieter places {ie Gympie!} offer lower wages do you think?
Nikki

lisaxxx Apr 20th 2005 8:43 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by kutskrazy
Hi Lisa, thanks for the reply...thats quite a good wage! I see you are in the brisbane area..is your salon in the city..would quieter places {ie Gympie!} offer lower wages do you think?
Nikki

Hi Nikki, no I don't think you would get as much in Gympie but we are a dying race!!!!!
Lisa

lynnbrooks Apr 20th 2005 10:23 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by lisaxxx
Hi
I would suggest you just get here and start working as you will find work easily and you will earn more hairdressing than you would teaching. Stylists are demanding at least $700 pw plus comm which if you go on my figures for this week, you would be getting around $1200 pw. Not bad eh!!
Lisa


Hi,
can i ask if these wages are reflected in all states as we are thinking of Perth...?
Lynn

Marlo Apr 21st 2005 2:44 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by lynnbrooks
Hi,
can i ask if these wages are reflected in all states as we are thinking of Perth...?
Lynn

I don't know about Perth, but the average wage in Melbourne & Adelaide starts at $500 a week & don't forget they don't tip in Oz, so you can't rely on them to bump your wages up. :scared:

:)

kaggs Apr 24th 2005 11:38 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 
hi there....just found this site.can't believe those wages....my friend in benowa on the gold coast said that i would get a shock at the wages over there as they were so low,but around £285.00 basic salery, plus comm. is not low.what salon do you work at?is it different to an english salon. kaggs. x

lisaxxx Apr 24th 2005 11:52 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by kaggs
hi there....just found this site.can't believe those wages....my friend in benowa on the gold coast said that i would get a shock at the wages over there as they were so low,but around £285.00 basic salery, plus comm. is not low.what salon do you work at?is it different to an english salon. kaggs. x

Hello Kags, I have a salon in Brisbane and that is what I am offering, and is being offered by most salons as there is such a shortage of good stylists. However you would need to be making about $2600 per wk(3.5 x your wage) for the salon.

kutskrazy Apr 25th 2005 9:19 am

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by lisaxxx
Hello Kags, I have a salon in Brisbane and that is what I am offering, and is being offered by most salons as there is such a shortage of good stylists. However you would need to be making about $2600 per wk(3.5 x your wage) for the salon.

so, if the wage is better in Aussie than in the uk does that mean the Salons charge more for their services?

Marlo Apr 26th 2005 11:10 am

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by kutskrazy
so, if the wage is better in Aussie than in the uk does that mean the Salons charge more for their services?

The wages aren't better in Oz, this is low compared to the cost of living, the cost of living is high compared to wages. You'd be much better off mobile or working from home.

;)

kutskrazy Apr 26th 2005 12:41 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by Marlo
The wages aren't better in Oz, this is low compared to the cost of living, the cost of living is high compared to wages. You'd be much better off mobile or working from home.

;)

I am actually working mobile at the moment and I must admit I do like working for myself like this. However, I didnt think that mobiles were very popular in Oz. I think I heard from somewhere about not being able to use the wholesalers and only able to buy stock in the chemist!?
Any views on this..
Thanx

Marlo Apr 26th 2005 2:38 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by kutskrazy
I am actually working mobile at the moment and I must admit I do like working for myself like this. However, I didnt think that mobiles were very popular in Oz. I think I heard from somewhere about not being able to use the wholesalers and only able to buy stock in the chemist!?
Any views on this..
Thanx

Well I'm still in the UK but have a friend who is working as a mobile hairdresser in Melbourne, so I shall find out for you regarding stock. I also have another friend who has just gone to Adelaide, and I know in both places though mobile hairdressing isn't as popular as here, that is the attraction.

Where are you heading?

I'll get back to you asap.

:)

Marlo Apr 26th 2005 5:30 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by lisaxxx
Hi
I would suggest you just get here and start working as you will find work easily and you will earn more hairdressing than you would teaching. Stylists are demanding at least $700 pw plus comm which if you go on my figures for this week, you would be getting around $1200 pw. Not bad eh!!
Lisa


I am excited and confused by your claim of $700+ commission as I would love to come and earn that, but feel that wage is only available for an established (with a Big clientele) hairdresser, which I am here in the UK but will be unknown for sometime there.So what would be a starting wage for a new on the block Pomm ? Am I misgiuded :D :confused:

kaggs Apr 26th 2005 10:21 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by Marlo
I am excited and confused by your claim of $700+ commission as I would love to come and earn that, but feel that wage is only available for an established (with a Big clientele) hairdresser, which I am here in the UK but will be unknown for sometime there.So what would be a starting wage for a new on the block Pomm ? Am I misgiuded :D :confused:

i have worked for a high class and up market salon. how we worked there sounds the same as the way lisa runs her wage structure,so if iam right ...you would start of on the basic rate,then over the next say...3-6 months have a full client base that you would be on such a good wage,but dont forget that you have to work megga hard to achieve this.dont worry about this though you will proberly just be glad of the fab weather over there!!!! :) :) kaggs. x

Marlo Apr 26th 2005 10:30 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by kaggs
i have worked for a high class and up market salon. how we worked there sounds the same as the way lisa runs her wage structure,so if iam right ...you would start of on the basic rate,then over the next say...3-6 months have a full client base that you would be on such a good wage,but dont forget that you have to work megga hard to achieve this.dont worry about this though you will proberly just be glad of the fab weather over there!!!! :) :) kaggs. x

Where abouts are you in the UK Kaggs? Do you still work for a salon?

I have been to Oz and the hairdressing wages are poor, as I said before the cost of living is high and the wages are low in comparison. Hard work always pays of where ever you live.

:)

kaggs Apr 26th 2005 10:55 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by Marlo
Where abouts are you in the UK Kaggs? Do you still work for a salon?

I have been to Oz and the hairdressing wages are poor, as I said before the cost of living is high and the wages are low in comparison. Hard work always pays of where ever you live.

:)

OH NO!!!!! in for a scarey shock.....not sure now if wages are good or poor? :eek: maybe just have to sell my body for extra cash..ha,ha. I am IN LIVERPOOL. we are waiting for our visa to come-maybe may,maybe june. I am working mobile at the moment-just for a short while- untill we go to oz.kaggs

Marlo Apr 27th 2005 8:34 am

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by kaggs
OH NO!!!!! in for a scarey shock.....not sure now if wages are good or poor? :eek: maybe just have to sell my body for extra cash..ha,ha. I am IN LIVERPOOL. we are waiting for our visa to come-maybe may,maybe june. I am working mobile at the moment-just for a short while- untill we go to oz.kaggs

I don't want to put you off Kaggs, just want you to be prepared because we were told a few fibs about wages before we went for our recce, having said that I think hard work always pays off. British hairdressing standards are supposed to be higher, Aussies only train for a year, apparently. I don't think you'll have trouble getting work and if you're that good then a decent salon should pay you well, if not mobile.

Which part of Oz are you heading? Do you have kids? Sorry to sound nosey, but finding money for just 1 or 2 people is easier than for a family.

Also, heard back from friend this morning, she said that mobile hairdressers can buy from the wholesalers and thought it amusing when I ask that question.

Hope this helps

:beer:

lisaxxx Apr 27th 2005 9:20 am

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 
Hi
I have been hairdressing for 30 yrs and trained with Stephen Way in Bond Street. I have been in Australia for 22 yrs and have always worked in very good salons in the city (Brisbane). I have had work published in magazines, done platform work, have done television work and have won competitions so I feel that my contribution holds some weight.
Hairdressing is a 4yr appreticeship here but there are some private colleges that offer 12 month fulltime courses and you are supposed to be fully qualified at the end. I have yet to come across a stylist that has completed a course to be up to senior stylist standard. I feel that to be competent you need to chalk up flying hours if you know what I mean!!!
As for british standards being better I think that it really depends on where you have trained but Australian hairdressing has a vey good reputation on the world arena.
If you are a good stylist it will take no time to build up a clientele.
lisa
:beer:[/QUOTE]

kaggs Apr 27th 2005 10:36 am

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by lisaxxx
Hi
I have been hairdressing for 30 yrs and trained with Stephen Way in Bond Street. I have been in Australia for 22 yrs and have always worked in very good salons in the city (Brisbane). I have had work published in magazines, done platform work, have done television work and have won competitions so I feel that my contribution holds some weight.
Hairdressing is a 4yr appreticeship here but there are some private colleges that offer 12 month fulltime courses and you are supposed to be fully qualified at the end. I have yet to come across a stylist that has completed a course to be up to senior stylist standard. I feel that to be competent you need to chalk up flying hours if you know what I mean!!!
As for british standards being better I think that it really depends on where you have trained but Australian hairdressing has a vey good reputation on the world arena.
If you are a good stylist it will take no time to build up a clientele. :beer:

[/QUOTE] you have the same experience as me,except ihave been hairdressing for 20yrs.i have not opened my own salon yet!!!! but was thinking about it in Oz but, sounds like you cant get the staff to staff the salon :scared: iam 36[oh no not so old!] and have a passion for hairdressing...but still scared of what to expect in Oz.I was hoping to work in a very good salon and pick up the Ozzy way.How long have you had your own salon? and did you find the road to success difficult? :rolleyes:
Any advice would be welcomed :D :) kaggs. x

kaggs Apr 27th 2005 10:47 am

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by Marlo
I don't want to put you off Kaggs, just want you to be prepared because we were told a few fibs about wages before we went for our recce, having said that I think hard work always pays off. British hairdressing standards are supposed to be higher, Aussies only train for a year, apparently. I don't think you'll have trouble getting work and if you're that good then a decent salon should pay you well, if not mobile.

Which part of Oz are you heading? Do you have kids? Sorry to sound nosey, but finding money for just 1 or 2 people is easier than for a family.

Also, heard back from friend this morning, she said that mobile hairdressers can buy from the wholesalers and thought it amusing when I ask that question.

Hope this helps

:beer:

we are hopefully heading to the gold coast,as we have some friends there. we have 3 children aged 11,10 & 3. cant wait for the big lifestyle changes!!! Where abouts are you? Do you have a fambo or anything? Dont worry about being nosey....you weren't. :D :cool:kaggs. x

Marlo Apr 27th 2005 10:51 am

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by kaggs
we are hopefully heading to the gold coast,as we have some friends there. we have 3 children aged 11,10 & 3. cant wait for the big lifestyle changes!!! Where abouts are you? Do you have a fambo or anything? Dont worry about being nosey....you weren't. :D :cool:kaggs. x

Yes have 2 kids, looking at Victoria or even SA.

Are you going for a recce? Up to you and I know it's expensive but it would be a good idea, maybe you could meet up with Lisa and see what's available to you. Get a feel of things.

Good luck in you new adventure

;)

kaggs Apr 27th 2005 4:53 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by Marlo
Yes have 2 kids, looking at Victoria or even SA.

Are you going for a recce? Up to you and I know it's expensive but it would be a good idea, maybe you could meet up with Lisa and see what's available to you. Get a feel of things.

Good luck in you new adventure

;)

what do you mean a recce? do you mean a relocation? if so, yes. we are also going to Oz for 4 weeks in july & august for a well earned holiday :beer: kaggs. x

Marlo Apr 27th 2005 5:17 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 

Originally Posted by kaggs
what do you mean a recce? do you mean a relocation? if so, yes. we are also going to Oz for 4 weeks in july & august for a well earned holiday :beer: kaggs. x

Hi Kaggs,

Your 4 week holiday will be your recce ;)

I think it means reconnaissance which means to discover or survey, in other words gain information about an area.

Lots of luck
:)

lisaxxx Apr 27th 2005 9:53 pm

Re: Teaching Question for hairdressing?
 
you have the same experience as me,except ihave been hairdressing for 20yrs.i have not opened my own salon yet!!!! but was thinking about it in Oz but, sounds like you cant get the staff to staff the salon :scared: iam 36[oh no not so old!] and have a passion for hairdressing...but still scared of what to expect in Oz.I was hoping to work in a very good salon and pick up the Ozzy way.How long have you had your own salon? and did you find the road to success difficult? :rolleyes:
Any advice would be welcomed :D :) kaggs. x[/QUOTE]
Hi Kaggs, I have had the salon for nearly three years and yes it has been hard because of the staff problem. It is very different on the other side of the wage book!!! When you are forking out left right and centre and working your butt off, you do wonder if it's worth it, but to be honest, I like the challenge!!!
Lisa


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