Would you do it again?
#31
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Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by William Shaw
This forum is full of (generally good natured) observations about the frustrations of life as an expat in the States.
I am going through the process of moving my family to Connecticut in the coming months and am evaluating pros and cons.
I would be interested to hear from you caustic veterans, if you could start again, whether you would have moved to the US at all and if so what you would have done differently.
Also, what was your greatest culture/lifestyle shock?
I am going through the process of moving my family to Connecticut in the coming months and am evaluating pros and cons.
I would be interested to hear from you caustic veterans, if you could start again, whether you would have moved to the US at all and if so what you would have done differently.
Also, what was your greatest culture/lifestyle shock?
#32
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Re: Would you do it again?
There are 3 lifestyles that make the American way of life good:
- Young and rich
- Young with no family
- Retired and rich
For everyone else its a constant struggle to stay financially soluble, and have some vague semblance of a family life which is constantly being eroded by appalling working requirements. I honestly do feel that slave labour is alive and kicking in America...just now its racially unbiased and affects 90% of the population.
The main problem is the whole financially stable issue can turn on its head in an iota. For the sake of an accident or a change in requirements at your employers your whole comfortable way of life can vanish in a second. And there is no safety net. Something like 750,000 people per year go bankrupt in the US due to medical issues. And around half of those had good insurance cover.
- Young and rich
- Young with no family
- Retired and rich
For everyone else its a constant struggle to stay financially soluble, and have some vague semblance of a family life which is constantly being eroded by appalling working requirements. I honestly do feel that slave labour is alive and kicking in America...just now its racially unbiased and affects 90% of the population.
The main problem is the whole financially stable issue can turn on its head in an iota. For the sake of an accident or a change in requirements at your employers your whole comfortable way of life can vanish in a second. And there is no safety net. Something like 750,000 people per year go bankrupt in the US due to medical issues. And around half of those had good insurance cover.
#33
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
The main problem is the whole financially stable issue can turn on its head in an iota. For the sake of an accident or a change in requirements at your employers your whole comfortable way of life can vanish in a second. And there is no safety net. Something like 750,000 people per year go bankrupt in the US due to medical issues. And around half of those had good insurance cover.
#34
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
I would think the hardest for you and your family would be
A) Lack of social life...depending where you are of course, but the social life in the US is nothing compared to what you can have in the UK.
B) School for the kids. Seriously school here sucks big time compared to UK schools unless you pay serious cash for private schooling.
C) Your working hours. If you are in a full time job forget any idea of long romantic vacations sight seeing around the country. You'll get screw all holiday time and just wont be able to afford it anyway.
D) Health care. In short it sucks and is very expensive. For a family of 5 you will pay well over $1000 a month I would imagine unless you are very very lucky in your employers insurance. Plus any co-pays, deductables etc should you actually use the health insurance.
E) Cost of living. Is high here these days and getting higher. For a family of 3 we pay over $350 per week on food shopping and thats just for basics with no eating out. Sure wages can be good, but dont expect to actually have a lot of spare cash at the end of each month.
On the flipside is the experience that you can only get with actually living and working in another country. To us thats been priceless and we'll carry it with us to the day we shuffle off the planet.
A) Lack of social life...depending where you are of course, but the social life in the US is nothing compared to what you can have in the UK.
B) School for the kids. Seriously school here sucks big time compared to UK schools unless you pay serious cash for private schooling.
C) Your working hours. If you are in a full time job forget any idea of long romantic vacations sight seeing around the country. You'll get screw all holiday time and just wont be able to afford it anyway.
D) Health care. In short it sucks and is very expensive. For a family of 5 you will pay well over $1000 a month I would imagine unless you are very very lucky in your employers insurance. Plus any co-pays, deductables etc should you actually use the health insurance.
E) Cost of living. Is high here these days and getting higher. For a family of 3 we pay over $350 per week on food shopping and thats just for basics with no eating out. Sure wages can be good, but dont expect to actually have a lot of spare cash at the end of each month.
On the flipside is the experience that you can only get with actually living and working in another country. To us thats been priceless and we'll carry it with us to the day we shuffle off the planet.
My two teenagers like it and so does my OH. My youngest and I prefer the UK.
I agree with lack of social life. We have made some good friends but everyone is so busy.
Schools...we are very lucky here. Where I live our schools are excellent but we pay huge property taxes that are slowly crippling us.
No holidays...OH had 6 weeks in the UK ,here only 2 but we did know that before we came and thought we would cope. It sucks in reality. His company don't like him having all the 2 weeks at once and if he did he'd have nothing left anyway.
I think it's expensive here. Our food bill for 5 is about $350 and I try and keep it down by cooking everything myself. I don't think the quality of food is as good as dear old Tesco and Asda.
Don't even mention the utility bills. Heating bill massive in winter,a/c expensive in summer, water is literally money down the drain.
Health. We have very good insurance through the company but we have still shelled out a shed load of cash in copays and stuff. I hate having to think twice before going to the doctors.
Also holidays are expensive even if we had the time to go.
My visa H4 doesn't allow me to work and our green cards are years away. I ran my own small business in the UK and I am bored here. I know I could volunteer but I did lots of that years ago and now I want to work.
We left the UK a year ago today and I wish we hadn't bothered.
Oh dear thats all a bit gloomy.
If it appeals to you ..do it as you will always wonder what would have happened if you had.
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Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by jumping doris
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We left the UK a year ago today and I wish we hadn't bothered.
Oh dear thats all a bit gloomy.
If it appeals to you ..do it as you will always wonder what would have happened if you had.
We left the UK a year ago today and I wish we hadn't bothered.
Oh dear thats all a bit gloomy.
If it appeals to you ..do it as you will always wonder what would have happened if you had.
#36
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
We have been here almost 2 years to the day. We go home in 36 days.
#37
Re: Would you do it again?
I also think there is a difference if your OH is American. If so you have family here who you can go and visit and who will help you out. If you are all British I can see where it would get daunting.
#39
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by Ray
Life is what you make it no matter where you are ......
We have had some things go wrong lately and we are not settled enough here yet to just shrug them off.
We can't go back to our old lives because they don't exist anymore
"you cannot step into the same river twice etc etc"
Onwards and upwards.
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Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by jumping doris
Good luck. Are you going back to the same place?
#41
Re: Would you do it again?
Been here 20 years.
For me the US is Social Darwinisn/Capitalism at it's best/worst, depending where you are at any given moment in your life and career.
Great if you are young, single and or wealthy, not great at all if you are sick, poor (or just have a regular job) or old as has been pointed out by other posters.
During my time here I've gone from starting out new to stable jobs to not knowing where this months rent money was coming from to travelling the world making six figures, and a few places in between.
It takes a certain risk taking mind set to be an immigrant but then your experience and risk will vary greatly depending on your situation
e.g I came here with a suitcase and about $3000 to my name, if you are coming on a job transfer or marrying a US citizen who is already set up I'm sure the transition would be much more secure and stable.
Would I do it again?, yes but I think 10 years would have been enough for the experience and perhaps should have headed elsewhere after that period of time as it's getting a bit stale now.
Life should be an adventure take the opportunity when it comes .
Biggest culture shock?? - The me first, consumer US society, ridiculous work ethic, generally insular nature of the 'USA is the greatest' mentality and pursuit of a dollar at any cost.
For me the US is Social Darwinisn/Capitalism at it's best/worst, depending where you are at any given moment in your life and career.
Great if you are young, single and or wealthy, not great at all if you are sick, poor (or just have a regular job) or old as has been pointed out by other posters.
During my time here I've gone from starting out new to stable jobs to not knowing where this months rent money was coming from to travelling the world making six figures, and a few places in between.
It takes a certain risk taking mind set to be an immigrant but then your experience and risk will vary greatly depending on your situation
e.g I came here with a suitcase and about $3000 to my name, if you are coming on a job transfer or marrying a US citizen who is already set up I'm sure the transition would be much more secure and stable.
Would I do it again?, yes but I think 10 years would have been enough for the experience and perhaps should have headed elsewhere after that period of time as it's getting a bit stale now.
Life should be an adventure take the opportunity when it comes .
Biggest culture shock?? - The me first, consumer US society, ridiculous work ethic, generally insular nature of the 'USA is the greatest' mentality and pursuit of a dollar at any cost.
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#42
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Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by Ray
Life is what you make it no matter where you are ......
#43
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by dan_alford
I also think there is a difference if your OH is American. If so you have family here who you can go and visit and who will help you out. If you are all British I can see where it would get daunting.
#44
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by William Shaw
It all seems a bit bleak...What are the most striking downsides? Pressure? Money? Missing family? lack of friends? Opportunities?
A lot also depends on what line of work your in, and where abouts you move to...CT ain't a bad state, but winters are harsh, commutes can suck, and generally it ain't as cheap to live here as the movies portray.
Depending on how you get here, holiday time can be difficult because you don't have much of it, so you can't always go back to the UK when you want, there's bugger all maternity or other leave really, and because of the rat race and long commutes, it can be quite difficult to make a good circle of friends rather than work colleagues...and family back in blighty, well it's more tougher if your close to family or have older parents.
I'd say, given the chance, it's well worth doing, you'll certainly appreciate the UK far more than you would otherwise, and it's something different to have on the resume....you just have to stick it out for a few years to see if you really like the lifestyle, because a lot of the funk could just be the state/county/town your living it, so a move else where can change a lot, and if you still don't like it, then that's a good deal, nothing wrong with not liking it and heading home.
But be prepared for it being expensive for the first couple years until you sort out your credit history, car insurance, credit cards, getting a mobile phone, utilities, it ain't cheap or easy to sort out straight off, but that's what this place is for, well mostly to bitch about it
p.s the winters, though cold, tbh, 25F, -40F...it all feels the same once your snot has frozen, very unsettling the first winter
#45
Re: Would you do it again?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
B) School for the kids. Seriously school here sucks big time compared to UK schools unless you pay serious cash for private schooling.