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Old Oct 20th 2006, 10:20 pm
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For any UK resident thinking of coming to the USA, if you decide to come to GA, you need one more piece of information..

On top of the normal, long hours, little vacation time, you need to know the manby pampy EU employment protection laws don't apply.

In fact, in GA, you could work for a company for 1 day or 15 years and your boss can fire you for no REASON. My lawyer is quoted as saying "you can fire him for the wind blowing"...

Any other states like Georgia where employment law is non-existent? I know in Europre employERS complain it's gone too far the other way and you almost can't fire anyone in the UK!!
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Old Oct 20th 2006, 10:28 pm
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Default Re: "at will" work state (getting fired - no rights)

Originally Posted by franc11s
Any other states like Georgia where employment law is non-existent?
Texas.

Look for "right to work" states. More like "right to sack without cause" states.
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Old Oct 20th 2006, 10:32 pm
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Default Re: "at will" work state (getting fired - no rights)

Originally Posted by franc11s
For any UK resident thinking of coming to the USA, if you decide to come to GA, you need one more piece of information..

On top of the normal, long hours, little vacation time, you need to know the manby pampy EU employment protection laws don't apply.

In fact, in GA, you could work for a company for 1 day or 15 years and your boss can fire you for no REASON. My lawyer is quoted as saying "you can fire him for the wind blowing"...

Any other states like Georgia where employment law is non-existent? I know in Europre employERS complain it's gone too far the other way and you almost can't fire anyone in the UK!!
I thought the 'at will' thing was pretty standard in the US. Something to consider when joining a new company...make sure its written into the contract that you have to be given X number of months salary if your employment is terminated.
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Old Oct 20th 2006, 10:38 pm
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Which is why they all have slippy shoulders and will not take responsibility for anything as they are terrified of losing their jobs.
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Old Oct 20th 2006, 10:53 pm
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Default Re: "at will" work state (getting fired - no rights)

Originally Posted by franc11s
For any UK resident thinking of coming to the USA, if you decide to come to GA, you need one more piece of information..

On top of the normal, long hours, little vacation time, you need to know the manby pampy EU employment protection laws don't apply.

In fact, in GA, you could work for a company for 1 day or 15 years and your boss can fire you for no REASON. My lawyer is quoted as saying "you can fire him for the wind blowing"...

Any other states like Georgia where employment law is non-existent? I know in Europre employERS complain it's gone too far the other way and you almost can't fire anyone in the UK!!
Same here in IL, in fact they let a guy go, as they call it here, today been with the company 23 years never called in sick once. New head of department was hired 4 weeks ago and started brining in his own team so they let 2 go last week and 1 go this week. No comp, no thank you, nothing. Did'nt even let them say goodbye, escorted them all out to the parking lot. It's just a way of life here, you should always have at least 6 months living expenses put away just in case.
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Old Oct 20th 2006, 11:09 pm
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Default Re: "at will" work state (getting fired - no rights)

Originally Posted by franc11s
For any UK resident thinking of coming to the USA, if you decide to come to GA, you need one more piece of information..

On top of the normal, long hours, little vacation time, you need to know the manby pampy EU employment protection laws don't apply.

In fact, in GA, you could work for a company for 1 day or 15 years and your boss can fire you for no REASON. My lawyer is quoted as saying "you can fire him for the wind blowing"...

Any other states like Georgia where employment law is non-existent? I know in Europre employERS complain it's gone too far the other way and you almost can't fire anyone in the UK!!
You'd probably get a shorter list asking which states don't allow "at-will" employment!
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Default Re: "at will" work state (getting fired - no rights)

Originally Posted by franc11s
For any UK resident thinking of coming to the USA, if you decide to come to GA, you need one more piece of information..

On top of the normal, long hours, little vacation time, you need to know the manby pampy EU employment protection laws don't apply.

In fact, in GA, you could work for a company for 1 day or 15 years and your boss can fire you for no REASON. My lawyer is quoted as saying "you can fire him for the wind blowing"...

Any other states like Georgia where employment law is non-existent? I know in Europre employERS complain it's gone too far the other way and you almost can't fire anyone in the UK!!
As a manager I actually think it is a good thing, you can clear out the deadwood without any of the hassles you'd have in the UK. Keeps people on the top of their game.
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Originally Posted by Terrier
Same here in IL, in fact they let a guy go, as they call it here, today been with the company 23 years never called in sick once. New head of department was hired 4 weeks ago and started brining in his own team so they let 2 go last week and 1 go this week. No comp, no thank you, nothing. Did'nt even let them say goodbye, escorted them all out to the parking lot. It's just a way of life here, you should always have at least 6 months living expenses put away just in case.
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Default Re: "at will" work state (getting fired - no rights)

Originally Posted by Terrier
As a manager I actually think it is a good thing, you can clear out the deadwood without any of the hassles you'd have in the UK. Keeps people on the top of their game.
Let's hope you keep on top of yours.
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Default Re: "at will" work state (getting fired - no rights)

Originally Posted by Terrier
As a manager I actually think it is a good thing, you can clear out the deadwood without any of the hassles you'd have in the UK. Keeps people on the top of their game.
And as a manager I can honestly say that I'd hate to work with you, let alone for you!

You're also wrong, as far as I'm concerned. Every day I see people who are so scared of losing their jobs that they won't even take the risks in their decision making that I need them to in order to remain effective... and that doesn't make for good business, it makes for stale, slow-moving, risk-averse business.

But perhaps you work in part of a business that fuctions well that way.
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Default Re: "at will" work state (getting fired - no rights)

Originally Posted by Terrier
As a manager I actually think it is a good thing, you can clear out the deadwood without any of the hassles you'd have in the UK. Keeps people on the top of their game.

Oh, Balls.
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couldn't believe it when hubby said he wasn't getting a contract here. Like most can be fired anytime no comp and escorted by security immediately.
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Default Re: "at will" work state (getting fired - no rights)

Originally Posted by Terrier
As a manager I actually think it is a good thing, you can clear out the deadwood without any of the hassles you'd have in the UK. Keeps people on the top of their game.
Yeah I mean we dont want the plebs - sorry workers - having any rights or anything. Jesus, next thing they'll want vacations and sick leave.


I've always felt people work better when positively motivated...you know, carrot and not stick?

Oh and by the way..Florida is a Right To Fire state.

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Default Re: "at will" work state (getting fired - no rights)

Originally Posted by Terrier
As a manager I actually think it is a good thing, you can clear out the deadwood without any of the hassles you'd have in the UK. Keeps people on the top of their game.
You must love people kissing your arse all day
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Originally Posted by Terrier
As a manager I actually think it is a good thing, you can clear out the deadwood without any of the hassles you'd have in the UK. Keeps people on the top of their game.

No - actually its shit - because they can leave whenever they want to, and if you work in an area that is buoyant then it can be an issue retaining staff. In addition those workers that are exempt (professional rather than hourly) you have to manage by output so its very difficult to get anyone working core hours.

This work hard thing is a bit strange to me - yes the come in early and work late (for the most part) but 2 hour lunches are the norm and the work put in during the hours is less than I have experienced in Europe!
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