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iceflow May 8th 2014 9:10 pm

and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 
Something is very, very amiss when the average Joe is required to submit bank details when all this is going on. Take a look. It's a joke.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27189735

MMcD May 8th 2014 9:23 pm

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 

Originally Posted by iceflow (Post 11252793)
Something is very, very amiss when the average Joe is required to submit bank details when all this is going on. Take a look. It's a joke.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27189735

And the connection that disturbs you is.....?

robin1234 May 8th 2014 10:05 pm

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 

Originally Posted by iceflow (Post 11252793)
Something is very, very amiss when the average Joe is required to submit bank details when all this is going on. Take a look. It's a joke.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27189735

But surely, according to the United States Supreme Court, corporations are average Joes too?

durham_lad May 8th 2014 10:14 pm

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 

Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 11252892)
But surely, according to the United States Supreme Court, corporations are average Joes too?

Exactly :rofl:

MMcD May 8th 2014 10:20 pm

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 

Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 11252892)
But surely, according to the United States Supreme Court, corporations are average Joes too?

Did you have to remind us?
:eek:
Alas, :thumbdown:

robin1234 May 8th 2014 10:32 pm

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 

Originally Posted by MMcD (Post 11252919)
Did you have to remind us?
:eek:
Alas, :thumbdown:

Surely there should be a level playing field for carbon based average Joes and legal entity average Joes??

Steve_ May 8th 2014 10:38 pm

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 
The US for a long time has needed to rebalance the tax structure, the supposed logic is that companies are easier to hunt down than individuals. But it's a very very very VERY hard sell to suggest that individuals pay more tax and corporations pay less. The fact is though that if the company paid less tax, they would have more money to pay the individual employees. And what do we see - the US lagging further behind in salaries and corporations moving offshore.

The other way it needs to be rebalanced is for States to collect more tax and the Federal Govt. to collect less. It's very easy to get paranoid about what the federal govt is spending tax revenues on (more aircraft carriers and various other boondoggles) and it makes no sense for a State to ask the Federal govt. for money to fix a road when they could collect it themselves.

People often rail against federal govt. haters as being tin foil hat wearers, but they are actually right on the tax issue, the tax situation in the US makes no sense at all. Totally inefficient and works against foreign investment.

All I know is, take a look at Google Streeview, Highway 93 on the Montana side of the border, then Highway 93 on the BC side of the border. Very simple example.

MMcD May 8th 2014 10:39 pm

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 

Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 11252939)
Surely there should be a level playing field for carbon based average Joes and legal entity average Joes??

:lol:....(except it makes me want to cry)

anyway...guess it depends..which one exudes more hot air?

Hotscot May 8th 2014 10:51 pm

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 
Can a person become a corporation?

robin1234 May 8th 2014 11:48 pm

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 

Originally Posted by hotscot (Post 11252960)
Can a person become a corporation?

Yes, it happens if you look back at Sodom. For g-ds sake don't try it though.

iceflow May 10th 2014 1:30 am

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 

Originally Posted by MMcD (Post 11252822)
And the connection that disturbs you is.....?

Nothing per se, it just is a P*ss take when Joe Bloggs (and Jane Bloggs) has to submit personal bank details over small (FBAR) amounts and hope some hacker doesn't make off with his/her bank details in the process. yes...I know......"then keep it under 10K why don't you".
I'm sure the mega corps are all well within the law. It's just a different world.

Steve_ May 10th 2014 1:36 am

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 
If you were to actually do the paperwork they have to do I suspect you would have a different opinion. Have a read up on Sarbanes-Oxley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarban...80%93Oxley_Act

I had to do an 1120-F once, that was about the least fun thing I have ever done...

Hotscot May 10th 2014 1:46 am

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 
It certainly is an irritation as to why they think they have the right to track my legally obtained money?
And then have the right to fine me if I don't tell them where I keep it.

theOAP May 10th 2014 10:53 am

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 
Let's do the maths:

Large corporations:
[100's of lobbyists employed + $millions of contributions to campaign funds + $millions on entertainment + hundreds of in house tax attorneys employed] = inversion, no tax on offshore income left offshore.

Average Joe/Jane Bloggs:
[0 lobbyists + $hundreds in contributions + a handshake at the local
McDonalds + TurboTax] = do as we say, prole.

Seems quite understandable, so what's the problem?

robin1234 May 10th 2014 12:23 pm

Re: and we have to deal with FBAR and FATCA?
 

Originally Posted by theOAP (Post 11254727)
Let's do the maths:

Large corporations:
[100's of lobbyists employed + $millions of contributions to campaign funds + $millions on entertainment + hundreds of in house tax attorneys employed] = inversion, no tax on offshore income left offshore.

Average Joe/Jane Bloggs:
[0 lobbyists + $hundreds in contributions + a handshake at the local
McDonalds + TurboTax] = do as we say, prole.

Seems quite understandable, so what's the problem?

Prole? Careful, you'll be fomenting class warfare. Everyone's "middle class" over here, in the best of all possible worlds. :)

Plus they aspire to one day employing their own phalanx of tax attorneys.


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