Uninsured Aurora Shooting Victim - Possible $2 Medical Bill
Jul 26th 2012, 3:11 am
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Re: Uninsured Aurora Shooting Victim - Possible $2 Medical Bill
I am working with the Feds. A shovel ready project, what a joke!
Anyway one of the requirements I am awaiting confirmation on is the the percentage of the contract that has to be awarded to Minority/Disadvantaged businesses.
I thought I would qualify myself.
Anyway one of the requirements I am awaiting confirmation on is the the percentage of the contract that has to be awarded to Minority/Disadvantaged businesses.
I thought I would qualify myself.
Jul 26th 2012, 3:43 am
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Re: Uninsured Aurora Shooting Victim - Possible $2 Medical Bill
I couldn't agree more.
This cuts very close to the bone for me. My Brother-in-law was a passenger in a car that rolled early this year, is now paralyzed (he has a small amount of movement in his arms but his motor skills are poor and his movement in his hands is severely limited).
I'm not entirely sure where he stands on the medical bill right now but he couldn't afford the insurance premiums and wasn't covered. He spent 30+ days in Neuro ICU so you can bet it's over $1M.
There are charities that help out but it does highlight a fundamental flaw that if you're involved in a serious incident, not only do you have to deal with the injuries but also, in all liklihood, bankruptcy too.
I never realized how crazy the system was over here until I came and lived here. You hear about it but don't appreciate the severity of the situation. Even with insurance the bills can still be pretty high depending on your insurance, deductible and out of pocket maximum...
Sad times...
This cuts very close to the bone for me. My Brother-in-law was a passenger in a car that rolled early this year, is now paralyzed (he has a small amount of movement in his arms but his motor skills are poor and his movement in his hands is severely limited).
I'm not entirely sure where he stands on the medical bill right now but he couldn't afford the insurance premiums and wasn't covered. He spent 30+ days in Neuro ICU so you can bet it's over $1M.
There are charities that help out but it does highlight a fundamental flaw that if you're involved in a serious incident, not only do you have to deal with the injuries but also, in all liklihood, bankruptcy too.
I never realized how crazy the system was over here until I came and lived here. You hear about it but don't appreciate the severity of the situation. Even with insurance the bills can still be pretty high depending on your insurance, deductible and out of pocket maximum...
Sad times...
Jul 26th 2012, 3:46 am
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Re: Uninsured Aurora Shooting Victim - Possible $2 Medical Bill
Depends on the insurance limits the car owner's policy has... most people don't carry $1m plus of coverage. They could sue the driver and/or owner, of course.
Jul 26th 2012, 3:49 am
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I have personal experience. My good friend, no insurance, young daughter got leukemia (I'm 'Uncle Pete') ...
Treated like a queen in a fine hospital (the Cleveland Clinic). For MONTHS. No questions asked. Fortunately it's now in full remission.
Because he's genuinely working poor he's got few assets, and he hasn't been hassled for them.
Ideal? Perhaps not. But it does work and the care is outstanding.
Anyone associated with the horrible shootings in Aurora will become wealthy here shortly. Notice I don't say it will make up for it. But medical bills won't be a problem.
It's easy David. Dress it up as a social issue and hire a good PR agent
Pete
Treated like a queen in a fine hospital (the Cleveland Clinic). For MONTHS. No questions asked. Fortunately it's now in full remission.
Because he's genuinely working poor he's got few assets, and he hasn't been hassled for them.
Ideal? Perhaps not. But it does work and the care is outstanding.
Anyone associated with the horrible shootings in Aurora will become wealthy here shortly. Notice I don't say it will make up for it. But medical bills won't be a problem.
It's easy David. Dress it up as a social issue and hire a good PR agent
Pete
Jul 26th 2012, 3:53 am
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Re: Uninsured Aurora Shooting Victim - Possible $2 Medical Bill
I have personal experience. My good friend, no insurance, young daughter got leukemia (I'm 'Uncle Pete') ...
Treated like a queen in a fine hospital (the Cleveland Clinic). For MONTHS. No questions asked. Fortunately it's now in full remission.
Because he's genuinely working poor he's got few assets, and he hasn't been hassled for them.
Ideal? Perhaps not. But it does work and the care is outstanding.
Anyone associated with the horrible shootings in Aurora will become wealthy here shortly. Notice I don't say it will make up for it. But medical bills won't be a problem.
It's easy David. Dress it up as a social issue and hire a good PR agent
Pete
Treated like a queen in a fine hospital (the Cleveland Clinic). For MONTHS. No questions asked. Fortunately it's now in full remission.
Because he's genuinely working poor he's got few assets, and he hasn't been hassled for them.
Ideal? Perhaps not. But it does work and the care is outstanding.
Anyone associated with the horrible shootings in Aurora will become wealthy here shortly. Notice I don't say it will make up for it. But medical bills won't be a problem.
It's easy David. Dress it up as a social issue and hire a good PR agent
Pete
My daughter's school friend developed a very rare and aggressive form of cancer when she was 16. Both parents working with good healthcare insurance. A couple of years into the illness they were over $500K in debt. About a year into her treatment the insurance refused to pay for anymore treatment at the hospital in NYC...they had to move her to a hospital in NJ. Another year or so down the line...they refused to pay for any more overnight stays. She died when she was 19.
That is NOT a system folks, and that is NOT society.
Jul 26th 2012, 3:54 am
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Re: Uninsured Aurora Shooting Victim - Possible $2 Medical Bill
My daughter's school friend developed a very rare and aggressive form of cancer when she was 16. Both parents working with good healthcare insurance. A couple of years into the illness they were over $500K in debt. About a year into her treatment the insurance refused to pay for anymore treatment at the hospital in NYC...they had to move her to a hospital in NJ. Another year or so down the line...they refused to pay for any more overnight stays. She died when she was 19.
I find Mostly Yank's attitude to the issue puzzling, but I have seen it before on here from Americans. I suppose they have to believe that somehow everything will be all right if the worst happens to them.
Jul 26th 2012, 3:55 am
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Jul 26th 2012, 3:55 am
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Re: Uninsured Aurora Shooting Victim - Possible $2 Medical Bill
My daughter's school friend developed a very rare and aggressive form of cancer when she was 16. Both parents working with good healthcare insurance. A couple of years into the illness they were over $500K in debt. About a year into her treatment the insurance refused to pay for anymore treatment at the hospital in NYC...they had to move her to a hospital in NJ. Another year or so down the line...they refused to pay for any more overnight stays. She died when she was 19.
Pete
Jul 26th 2012, 3:57 am
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Re: Uninsured Aurora Shooting Victim - Possible $2 Medical Bill
I think it's because many Americans are brought up with this biggest and bestest country in the world mentality. Best military, best justice system, best healthcare, best blah blah blah...
Jul 26th 2012, 4:01 am
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To me it seems like the US government provides very little for its citizens but commands intense loyalty, the opposite of the UK.
Jul 26th 2012, 4:08 am
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It will work out alright for the most part. There will always be problems.
I realise I have to die someday. If you'all are willing to spend a million or so to keep me going the last couple of years I'll make a deal with you - give it to me now and I'll waive the care.
Injuries and treatable diseases are different of course.
How about a serious reform of medical laws? It's not like the health care industry is anything remotely resembling a free market, even before the new health care law. So perhaps instead of adding thousands of pages of new regs that Congress didn't even read they could start by streamlining what we already have, then with perhaps a little understanding of the current mess move forward.
I agree we need reform and believe most Americans know it. But healthcare in the US is an export business. A lot of people make a good living in healthcare, and it's one of the few sectors of the economy that is growing.
I see a lot of studies showing how much healthcare costs Americans, but precious little over how much we make. I'd think to have a meaningful conversation about it we'd need all info.
I have no problem with MA doing what they've done. I wish more States would step up and try things.
That's all. To recap: yes there are obviously problems. No, throwing crap against the wall and calling anyone who questions it evil isn't progess.
And for the record: I'm not saying you all do that
Just my .02...
Pete
I realise I have to die someday. If you'all are willing to spend a million or so to keep me going the last couple of years I'll make a deal with you - give it to me now and I'll waive the care.
Injuries and treatable diseases are different of course.
How about a serious reform of medical laws? It's not like the health care industry is anything remotely resembling a free market, even before the new health care law. So perhaps instead of adding thousands of pages of new regs that Congress didn't even read they could start by streamlining what we already have, then with perhaps a little understanding of the current mess move forward.
I agree we need reform and believe most Americans know it. But healthcare in the US is an export business. A lot of people make a good living in healthcare, and it's one of the few sectors of the economy that is growing.
I see a lot of studies showing how much healthcare costs Americans, but precious little over how much we make. I'd think to have a meaningful conversation about it we'd need all info.
I have no problem with MA doing what they've done. I wish more States would step up and try things.
That's all. To recap: yes there are obviously problems. No, throwing crap against the wall and calling anyone who questions it evil isn't progess.
And for the record: I'm not saying you all do that
Just my .02...
Pete
Jul 26th 2012, 4:14 am
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Re: Uninsured Aurora Shooting Victim - Possible $2 Medical Bill
Odd. the MA mandate solution is ok, but the ACA mandate solution - based on the MA law - is "throwing crap against the wall".
Jul 26th 2012, 4:16 am
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Re: Uninsured Aurora Shooting Victim - Possible $2 Medical Bill
It will work out alright for the most part. There will always be problems.
I realise I have to die someday. If you'all are willing to spend a million or so to keep me going the last couple of years I'll make a deal with you - give it to me now and I'll waive the care.
Injuries and treatable diseases are different of course.
How about a serious reform of medical laws? It's not like the health care industry is anything remotely resembling a free market, even before the new health care law. So perhaps instead of adding thousands of pages of new regs that Congress didn't even read they could start by streamlining what we already have, then with perhaps a little understanding of the current mess move forward.
I agree we need reform and believe most Americans know it. But healthcare in the US is an export business. A lot of people make a good living in healthcare, and it's one of the few sectors of the economy that is growing.
I see a lot of studies showing how much healthcare costs Americans, but precious little over how much we make. I'd think to have a meaningful conversation about it we'd need all info.
I have no problem with MA doing what they've done. I wish more States would step up and try things.
That's all. To recap: yes there are obviously problems. No, throwing crap against the wall and calling anyone who questions it evil isn't progess.
And for the record: I'm not saying you all do that
Just my .02...
Pete
I realise I have to die someday. If you'all are willing to spend a million or so to keep me going the last couple of years I'll make a deal with you - give it to me now and I'll waive the care.
Injuries and treatable diseases are different of course.
How about a serious reform of medical laws? It's not like the health care industry is anything remotely resembling a free market, even before the new health care law. So perhaps instead of adding thousands of pages of new regs that Congress didn't even read they could start by streamlining what we already have, then with perhaps a little understanding of the current mess move forward.
I agree we need reform and believe most Americans know it. But healthcare in the US is an export business. A lot of people make a good living in healthcare, and it's one of the few sectors of the economy that is growing.
I see a lot of studies showing how much healthcare costs Americans, but precious little over how much we make. I'd think to have a meaningful conversation about it we'd need all info.
I have no problem with MA doing what they've done. I wish more States would step up and try things.
That's all. To recap: yes there are obviously problems. No, throwing crap against the wall and calling anyone who questions it evil isn't progess.
And for the record: I'm not saying you all do that
Just my .02...
Pete
