Understanding online payments and bills
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Understanding online payments and bills
Hi All
We're about to move into the bay area, California, and we've won a lease on a property, and we're now trying to decode the online banking system so we can transfer the security deposit and regular rental payment.
Does the concept of a standing order exist? According to a discussion with a teller at the bank, the idea is to use something called a "Direct Deposit" but when searching online that seems to be a mechanism by which you send cheques to the bank and they automatically add the to your account?
The fallback seems to be sending an online cheque (which I suspect literally prints and mails a cheque?), but they also that you have to allow for 5-7 business days for the cheque to arrive.
Advice appreciated, we (or at least my wife currently is) with CitiBank for reference.
We're about to move into the bay area, California, and we've won a lease on a property, and we're now trying to decode the online banking system so we can transfer the security deposit and regular rental payment.
Does the concept of a standing order exist? According to a discussion with a teller at the bank, the idea is to use something called a "Direct Deposit" but when searching online that seems to be a mechanism by which you send cheques to the bank and they automatically add the to your account?
The fallback seems to be sending an online cheque (which I suspect literally prints and mails a cheque?), but they also that you have to allow for 5-7 business days for the cheque to arrive.
Advice appreciated, we (or at least my wife currently is) with CitiBank for reference.
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Re: Understanding online payments and bills
Hi All
We're about to move into the bay area, California, and we've won a lease on a property, and we're now trying to decode the online banking system so we can transfer the security deposit and regular rental payment.
Does the concept of a standing order exist? According to a discussion with a teller at the bank, the idea is to use something called a "Direct Deposit" but when searching online that seems to be a mechanism by which you send cheques to the bank and they automatically add the to your account?
The fallback seems to be sending an online cheque (which I suspect literally prints and mails a cheque?), but they also that you have to allow for 5-7 business days for the cheque to arrive.
Advice appreciated, we (or at least my wife currently is) with CitiBank for reference.
We're about to move into the bay area, California, and we've won a lease on a property, and we're now trying to decode the online banking system so we can transfer the security deposit and regular rental payment.
Does the concept of a standing order exist? According to a discussion with a teller at the bank, the idea is to use something called a "Direct Deposit" but when searching online that seems to be a mechanism by which you send cheques to the bank and they automatically add the to your account?
The fallback seems to be sending an online cheque (which I suspect literally prints and mails a cheque?), but they also that you have to allow for 5-7 business days for the cheque to arrive.
Advice appreciated, we (or at least my wife currently is) with CitiBank for reference.
Electronic payments are called ACH (which stands for Automated Clearing House) payments.
There are payment systems like the UK direct debit system, where the creditor initiates the payment. I pay my monthly electric and water bills like that and it has worked well for several years, although my co-workers either know nothing about paying like that, or they say "there is no way they would let anyone take money from my account".
Most on-line banking systems allow you to set up a regular payment of a set amount, which would be equivalent to a UK standing order. That would probably be the way to deal with your regular rental payment. I believe payments are normally sent electronically, but I have also seen references to a check being printed and mailed, which seems to defeat the purpose.
The problem is that there are so many banks and credit unions, ranging from vast nationwide set ups to one branch community banks or credit unions, and they operate a wide variety of systems.
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Re: Understanding online payments and bills
The same basic things exist over here.
Look up ebills and autopay.
You can also make direct bank transfers between banks easily too.
The only people you routinely hand flappy bits of paper to are gardeners etc.
Look up ebills and autopay.
You can also make direct bank transfers between banks easily too.
The only people you routinely hand flappy bits of paper to are gardeners etc.
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Re: Understanding online payments and bills
Thank-you for the replies.
From looking at the details we're assuming that when you setup a new Payee they have some kind of automatic system to determine whether it gets sent by cheque or electronic payment, probably based on this routing number?
So I guess the next step is to check that the routing number is for the electronic account..
From looking at the details we're assuming that when you setup a new Payee they have some kind of automatic system to determine whether it gets sent by cheque or electronic payment, probably based on this routing number?
So I guess the next step is to check that the routing number is for the electronic account..
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Actually scratch that, the citibank help portal seems to imply that ALL payments to an individual or merchant that isn't the directory will happen by check.
I understand that if it was some small credit union on the other side of the country, by this is to the Bank of America.
The eBills and Autopay look useful, but as this if for a rent payment, I assume that unless the landlord enlists in a service that sends us these, it won't be an option.
I understand that if it was some small credit union on the other side of the country, by this is to the Bank of America.
The eBills and Autopay look useful, but as this if for a rent payment, I assume that unless the landlord enlists in a service that sends us these, it won't be an option.
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I can't be bothered to wade through the advice given so far, but what you probably need is Zelle, which is used by most of the major banks and allows the recipient to link a phone number or email address to a bank account. Then the intended recipient, e.g. your landlord can give someone his phone number or email address as a proxy for his bank account and the payer then uses their online banking to send a payment by text or email. Problem solved!
Zelle works, I don't know how it works, but it does work. Sometimes I get an email from my bank to tell me I have received a payment before I get the email with the payment attached from the person paying me.
Zelle works, I don't know how it works, but it does work. Sometimes I get an email from my bank to tell me I have received a payment before I get the email with the payment attached from the person paying me.
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Well I think this is just the start if some cultural realignment.
We just assumed there was some mechanism by which people can arbitrarily transfer money electronically to anyone else for free, but it sounds like that option is only available if the payee has set that up.
As a side point, I instinctively have no objection to anyone having my bank payment details as I feel that effectively it just allows people to send me money! I'm assuming the main concern is privacy and control?
'winning the lease' refers to the fact that multiple people were all chasing the same property. We've been in this situation before and list out, hence the feeling of winning.
We just assumed there was some mechanism by which people can arbitrarily transfer money electronically to anyone else for free, but it sounds like that option is only available if the payee has set that up.
As a side point, I instinctively have no objection to anyone having my bank payment details as I feel that effectively it just allows people to send me money! I'm assuming the main concern is privacy and control?
'winning the lease' refers to the fact that multiple people were all chasing the same property. We've been in this situation before and list out, hence the feeling of winning.
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I think I have all my bills paid automatically. I give the company concerned my bank account number and routing number and they take whatever I owe.
If I need to send money to the kiddo in the US then I can use FB or just straight transfer from my Wells Fargo account to hers and it's instantaneous.
If I need to send money to the kiddo in the US then I can use FB or just straight transfer from my Wells Fargo account to hers and it's instantaneous.
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.... There are payment systems like the UK direct debit system, where the creditor initiates the payment. I pay my monthly electric and water bills like that and it has worked well for several years, although my co-workers either know nothing about paying like that, or they say "there is no way they would let anyone take money from my account". ....
.... Most on-line banking systems allow you to set up a regular payment of a set amount, which would be equivalent to a UK standing order. That would probably be the way to deal with your regular rental payment. I believe payments are normally sent electronically, but I have also seen references to a check being printed and mailed, which seems to defeat the purpose. .....
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Mrs P has most of our regular bills set up on an independent payment website, called Mycheckfree, which allows us to pay utilities and credit cards without sending our bank details to the payee. They have been around for donkey's years, and we started using them back when US banks still charged a fee to access on-line banking!
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Re: Understanding online payments and bills
Some banks (mine: credit union) don't allow you to transfer money to other accounts unless they are in your name. To pay bills, I use the online chequing facility which prints out and physically sends a cheque to the recipient's home address.
Never heard of Mycheckfree but I'll look into that. OP could also use papal/venmo etc. Paypal is free in the US between US bank accounts.
Never heard of Mycheckfree but I'll look into that. OP could also use papal/venmo etc. Paypal is free in the US between US bank accounts.