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Old Aug 18th 2004, 5:52 pm
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Just to confirm it is called the Ukraine.

If it's good enough for the BBC
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Originally Posted by manc1976
Just to confirm it is called the Ukraine.

If it's good enough for the BBC

Don't forget much, do you Manc.
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Default Re: The Ukraine:- Official

Originally Posted by manc1976
Just to confirm it is called the Ukraine.

If it's good enough for the BBC
Ah, but the medals table doesn't say The Ukraine...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olym...le/default.stm
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Rank  	Country  	Gold  	Silver  Bronze  Total
1 	China 		10 	6 	4 	20
2 	United States 	8 	10 	8 	26
3 	Japan 		8 	3 	2 	13
4 	Australia 	6 	4 	6 	16
5 	Ukraine 	5 	1 	1 	7
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Ah, but the medals table doesn't say The Ukraine...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olym...le/default.stm
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Rank  	Country  	Gold  	Silver  Bronze  Total
1 	China 		10 	6 	4 	20
2 	United States 	8 	10 	8 	26
3 	Japan 		8 	3 	2 	13
4 	Australia 	6 	4 	6 	16
5 	Ukraine 	5 	1 	1 	7
For your amusement James
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Originally Posted by manc1976
Hehe. Excellent.
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I agree with "the Ukraine" though. It sounds better in English than "Ukraine" or say "the Latvia" who have just gone a goal down to "the Welsh"
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
Don't forget much, do you Manc.
And that sig has cropped up here before too. Who was it that said that? Was it Yosser?
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Originally Posted by ladyofthelake
And that sig has cropped up here before too. Who was it that said that? Was it Yosser?
possibly, it's very Yosserish
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bollocks forgot about this tonight, the BBC let me down after all.

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Originally Posted by ladyofthelake
And that sig has cropped up here before too. Who was it that said that? Was it Yosser?
My ears were burning....what have I done now?
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My ears were burning....what have I done now?

Found it!!

It wasn't you who said it, but you did start it.
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Found it!!

It wasn't you who said it, but you did start it.
lol

I forgot all about that thread!
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Originally Posted by manc1976
Just to confirm it is called the Ukraine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ukraine
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Default Re: The Ukraine:- Official

Originally Posted by manc1976
Just to confirm it is called the Ukraine.

If it's good enough for the BBC
I ain't buying it. Imho it could be either, just like saying that someone was "from Britain" or alternatively was "from the British Isles"......
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The or not the, that is the question.

Okay – I’ll have a stab at it and try to explain where the unfortunate and nationalistic MCL was coming from, since I’m sure it made no sense to most. Probably, this effort won’t either… To understand, you need knowledge of English grammar and East European history.

Grammar
The grammar of the is very irregular in the English language. Its grammatical name is the definite article – DE.

A) Countries
With names of countries, we usually omit the DE:-
Examples: Sweden, Britain, France

However, there are many exceptions to this rule that may cause confusion:

1) We include the DE when the system of government of the country is shown in the name:-
Examples: The United Kingdom, The United Arab Emirates, The USA.

2) We include the DE where the original language would have included it, too:-
Examples: The Netherlands, The Congo.
Here, the Dutch and French language would use their DE – hence so does English.

3) We often omit the DE in text when we are writing the names of countries in titles or tables
B) Regions
We often use the DE when referring to geographic regions.
Examples: The Lake District, The Cotswolds, The Great Plains, The South.
History
The Russian and Ukrainian language do not use the DE. However, when Russian translators were translating into English, they would use the DE in front of the name of (the) Ukraine, i.e. they were saying that this place is a geographic region, not a country. When (the) Ukraine took independence, Ukrainian translators dropped the DE, i.e. they were stating that they were a country and not a region.

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