UK state pension and USA social security
#196
Re: UK state pension and USA social security
I would suggest instead of relying on information from the UK, call SS and double check if it makes for feel more comfortable about claiming your UK pension.
#197
Re: UK state pension and USA social security
These sorts of threads pop up quite regularly and I am always surprised how rarely someone responds to say "When I retired and claimed SS, this is what happened to me"
Maybe we are all too young to have retired, or the retirees are having too much fun to read BE any more.
Maybe we are all too young to have retired, or the retirees are having too much fun to read BE any more.
#198
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
That is my understanding. Providing you do not claim your SS until you have 30 years contributions, nothing else triggers the WEP.
I would suggest instead of relying on information from the UK, call SS and double check if it makes for feel more comfortable about claiming your UK pension.
I would suggest instead of relying on information from the UK, call SS and double check if it makes for feel more comfortable about claiming your UK pension.
Thanks for your response.
Interesting, I will call SS and ask the question and post the information on this board.
Thanks.
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I'm not sure if I can email this question but I can tell you I did speak with a lady on the telephone at social security and she said it does not matter how many years you have vested in SS in the USA you will be hit with a WEP when you declare your overseas pension income, she clearly did not understand what I was trying to gain information about so I've put that down to a wasted half hour, I will try again and hopefully speak with a person who has more knowledge on this subject or I may even visit a local social security office.
#201
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I'm not sure if I can email this question but I can tell you I did speak with a lady on the telephone at social security and she said it does not matter how many years you have vested in SS in the USA you will be hit with a WEP when you declare your overseas pension income, she clearly did not understand what I was trying to gain information about so I've put that down to a wasted half hour, I will try again and hopefully speak with a person who has more knowledge on this subject or I may even visit a local social security office.
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
I'm not sure if I can email this question but I can tell you I did speak with a lady on the telephone at social security and she said it does not matter how many years you have vested in SS in the USA you will be hit with a WEP when you declare your overseas pension income, she clearly did not understand what I was trying to gain information about so I've put that down to a wasted half hour, I will try again and hopefully speak with a person who has more knowledge on this subject or I may even visit a local social security office.
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10045.pdf
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
Am I not right in thinking that WEP caps out at something like 700 USD income from foreign pension sources? In other words anything over 700 USD / month coming from foreign pension sources will not further decrease my US SS payments?
So Foreign pension equaling $700 /month gets a WEP SS reduction by 'x' dollars, but foreign pension income at $200,000 / month gets a WEP SS reduction of the same 'x' dollars. The WEP effect is capped. The latter figure is purely for illustration purposes only....in my case at least.
So Foreign pension equaling $700 /month gets a WEP SS reduction by 'x' dollars, but foreign pension income at $200,000 / month gets a WEP SS reduction of the same 'x' dollars. The WEP effect is capped. The latter figure is purely for illustration purposes only....in my case at least.
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
Am I not right in thinking that WEP caps out at something like 700 USD income from foreign pension sources? In other words anything over 700 USD / month coming from foreign pension sources will not further decrease my US SS payments?
So Foreign pension equaling $700 /month gets a WEP SS reduction by 'x' dollars, but foreign pension income at $200,000 / month gets a WEP SS reduction of the same 'x' dollars. The WEP effect is capped. The latter figure is purely for illustration purposes only....in my case at least.
So Foreign pension equaling $700 /month gets a WEP SS reduction by 'x' dollars, but foreign pension income at $200,000 / month gets a WEP SS reduction of the same 'x' dollars. The WEP effect is capped. The latter figure is purely for illustration purposes only....in my case at least.
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/retire2/wep-chart.htm
#205
Re: UK state pension and USA social security
Am I not right in thinking that WEP caps out at something like 700 USD income from foreign pension sources? In other words anything over 700 USD / month coming from foreign pension sources will not further decrease my US SS payments?
So Foreign pension equaling $700 /month gets a WEP SS reduction by 'x' dollars, but foreign pension income at $200,000 / month gets a WEP SS reduction of the same 'x' dollars. The WEP effect is capped. The latter figure is purely for illustration purposes only....in my case at least.
So Foreign pension equaling $700 /month gets a WEP SS reduction by 'x' dollars, but foreign pension income at $200,000 / month gets a WEP SS reduction of the same 'x' dollars. The WEP effect is capped. The latter figure is purely for illustration purposes only....in my case at least.
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I will 2nd that, after my 2nd attempt to ask what I consider a straight forward question about what triggers wep "can I claim my British pension without incurring wep until I claim my US SS" I was on the phone for over 1 hour with a SS employee who kept talking about 90% (90% or what I still do not know) and then decided wep does not come into play with a British pension and told me to read International Programs, Totalization Agreement With the United Kingdom" Having read this it seems that this agreement is for persons working in both the USA and UK and paid SS taxes in the same time period? It appears to me that this person again did not understand and could not answer my question. I hope that the majority of people on this board are correct in thinking that their UK pension earned from the years prior to living and working in the USA is subject to wep and is not bundled together with their USA SS and that if they have 30 years of SS wep does not apply and all they need do is pay IRS taxes on it as income?
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
I will 2nd that, after my 2nd attempt to ask what I consider a straight forward question about what triggers wep "can I claim my British pension without incurring wep until I claim my US SS" I was on the phone for over 1 hour with a SS employee who kept talking about 90% (90% or what I still do not know) and then decided wep does not come into play with a British pension and told me to read International Programs, Totalization Agreement With the United Kingdom" Having read this it seems that this agreement is for persons working in both the USA and UK and paid SS taxes in the same time period? It appears to me that this person again did not understand and could not answer my question. I hope that the majority of people on this board are correct in thinking that their UK pension earned from the years prior to living and working in the USA is subject to wep and is not bundled together with their USA SS and that if they have 30 years of SS wep does not apply and all they need do is pay IRS taxes on it as income?
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10045.pdf
Windfall Elimination Provision 2014
Your Social Security retirement or
disability benefits may be reduced
If you work for an employer who does not
withhold Social Security taxes from your
salary, such as a government agency or an
employer in another country, any pension you
get based on that work may reduce your Social
Security benefits.
Your Social Security retirement or
disability benefits may be reduced
If you work for an employer who does not
withhold Social Security taxes from your
salary, such as a government agency or an
employer in another country, any pension you
get based on that work may reduce your Social
Security benefits.
Social Security benefits are based on the
worker’s average monthly earnings adjusted
for
inflation. We separate your average earnings
into three amounts and multiply the
amounts
using three factors. For example, for a worker
who turns 62 in 2014, the first $816 of average
monthly earnings is multiplied by 90
percent;
the next $4,101 by 32 percent; and the remainder
by 15
percent.
worker’s average monthly earnings adjusted
for
inflation. We separate your average earnings
into three amounts and multiply the
amounts
using three factors. For example, for a worker
who turns 62 in 2014, the first $816 of average
monthly earnings is multiplied by 90
percent;
the next $4,101 by 32 percent; and the remainder
by 15
percent.
#208
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
The 90% thing is explained on the SS website, as well as foreign pensions being included. However, as you say, maybe the International Programs, Totalization Agreement With the United Kingdom comes into play, but I'm not counting on it.
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10045.pdf
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10045.pdf
I'm reading the Years of substantial earnings chart on the SS web site and it shows a person like myself reaching 62 years of age in 2011 and allowing for 29 years current substantial earnings my wep maxis out at $37.50 per month, if I wait for another year and have 30 years it is $0.00 taking all of this into consideration if I claim SS today am I correct in thinking my US SS would be reduced by $37.50 per month and I get to keep my UK pension and only have to pay income tax to the IRS on it?
Most everyone on this forum seems to relate to the WEP situation rather than the International Agreement program with the UK.
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
I'm reading the Years of substantial earnings chart on the SS web site and it shows a person like myself reaching 62 years of age in 2011 and allowing for 29 years current substantial earnings my wep maxis out at $37.50 per month, if I wait for another year and have 30 years it is $0.00 taking all of this into consideration if I claim SS today am I correct in thinking my US SS would be reduced by $37.50 per month and I get to keep my UK pension and only have to pay income tax to the IRS on it?
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
I'm dreading talking to SS as I predict I'm going to come away more confused than I started.
I worked in the UK for 13 years as a British citizen before then moving to the US as a Resident Alien and then worked an additional 13 years.
So in the years that I worked in the UK I had nothing to do with America. It was only after I finished work that I married and became a Resident Alien in the US. I understand that I will have to pay US taxes on my UK Pension but I still don't understand why my US SS is subject being WEPd.
I worked in the UK for 13 years as a British citizen before then moving to the US as a Resident Alien and then worked an additional 13 years.
So in the years that I worked in the UK I had nothing to do with America. It was only after I finished work that I married and became a Resident Alien in the US. I understand that I will have to pay US taxes on my UK Pension but I still don't understand why my US SS is subject being WEPd.