UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Jun 13th 2006, 2:22 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by Elvira
I know you were no asked, but surely some people who make repeated and possibly lengthy trips under the VWP might eventually be asked a direct question of this kind.
Jun 13th 2006, 3:36 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by Manc
I disagree to a certain extent.
you can only answer what you are asked. I was asked pretty much bugger all....
as I had a history of coming and going and behaving myself, all I was asked was "How much money do you have?" to which I answered truthfully.
I wasn't asked at POE
"Sir, are you planning to live in the USA or get married and stay"
so I didn't lie.
and didn't break the law.
you can only answer what you are asked. I was asked pretty much bugger all....
as I had a history of coming and going and behaving myself, all I was asked was "How much money do you have?" to which I answered truthfully.
I wasn't asked at POE
"Sir, are you planning to live in the USA or get married and stay"
so I didn't lie.
and didn't break the law.
Ultimately as long as you are honest with immigrations then you are generally ok. Biggest trouble with VWP is you waive all rights to appeal....the POE officers decision is final no ifs, no buts, and if you get a tosser then you're in shite creak.
Jun 13th 2006, 3:41 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
This is such a horribly grey area....
when my husband entered the US last fall we were not sure if we were going to get married, and if we did, WHERE we were going to marry. We were considering three countries (US, Holland and England) based on personal preference, guests, whatever.
when we DID decide to get married I had about ten days or so to pull everything together. We didn't get married in my city, we married somewhere I wouldn't have expected.
If USCIS wants to prevent marriages occurring in the US under the VWP the officers would have to ask "is there a significant possibility you might marry a US citizen while on your visit here?"
We did the "right thing" and my husband left BEFORE his I-94 expiry. We did the "right thing" and I filed DCF at a significant cost to myself.
Damn, do we ever need immigration law clarification in any reform, and we're not going to get it despite all of the bickering here about those who are cognizant of the issues and despite all the money and time wasted by politicians grandstanding in Washington.
when my husband entered the US last fall we were not sure if we were going to get married, and if we did, WHERE we were going to marry. We were considering three countries (US, Holland and England) based on personal preference, guests, whatever.
when we DID decide to get married I had about ten days or so to pull everything together. We didn't get married in my city, we married somewhere I wouldn't have expected.
If USCIS wants to prevent marriages occurring in the US under the VWP the officers would have to ask "is there a significant possibility you might marry a US citizen while on your visit here?"
We did the "right thing" and my husband left BEFORE his I-94 expiry. We did the "right thing" and I filed DCF at a significant cost to myself.
Damn, do we ever need immigration law clarification in any reform, and we're not going to get it despite all of the bickering here about those who are cognizant of the issues and despite all the money and time wasted by politicians grandstanding in Washington.
Jun 13th 2006, 3:44 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Yea I think it comes down to the individual. Personally I dont think I would want to risk what woudl happen if I got married on a VWP and then had to rush back to the UK in an emergency...getting back in could be interesting.
All of this should be discussed with the OP by any competent immigration attorney!
Jun 13th 2006, 3:45 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by Manc
I don't advocate lying either.
Of course you don't and I would not dream of suggesting that you do!
But what's the likely scenario if someone is asked and does answer truthfully, I wonder.
(No, I don't really expect an answer...)
Jun 13th 2006, 3:47 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by Elvira
But what's the likely scenario if someone is asked and does answer truthfully, I wonder.
(No, I don't really expect an answer...)
though my *bets* would be that they would be denied entry.
Jun 13th 2006, 4:00 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by snowbunny
You would not be able to do so until the AOS and AP had been filed and the AP granted. Which is a huge part of why we DCFd, as my husband wanted to go back to Holland before we could have possibly received AP. Even then, AP is no guarantee of being allowed to re-enter.... then again, nothing short of citizenship is a 100% guarantee!
All of this should be discussed with the OP by any competent immigration attorney!
All of this should be discussed with the OP by any competent immigration attorney!
Which is all why I said giving hard advice based on personal experience can be a dangerous thing to do.
Jun 13th 2006, 4:02 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Which is all why I said giving hard advice based on personal experience can be a dangerous thing to do.
Jun 13th 2006, 4:08 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by Manc
sometimes maybe, however her advice this time was spot on.
Jun 13th 2006, 4:12 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
It may have been spot on to the OP's current situation but not to say theres no problem without pointing out the potential pitfalls. Seriously the best advice to anyone for immigrations is "Consult a specialised immigration attorney".
" it is the same thing.If someone asks me for my experience, I'll give it; same for my opinion; but if they ask me for my *advice* I always say "consult a lawyer."
Jun 13th 2006, 4:15 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by snowbunny
Anyone giving advice on Jewish religious law usually ends with "CYLR: consult your local rabbi " it is the same thing.
If someone asks me for my experience, I'll give it; same for my opinion; but if they ask me for my *advice* I always say "consult a lawyer."
" it is the same thing.If someone asks me for my experience, I'll give it; same for my opinion; but if they ask me for my *advice* I always say "consult a lawyer."
Jun 13th 2006, 4:17 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
It may have been spot on to the OP's current situation but not to say theres no problem without pointing out the potential pitfalls. Seriously the best advice to anyone for immigrations is "Consult a specialised immigration attorney".
did it on my own.
nothing wrong with getting opinions of others is there?
we all dole out advice based on ones life experiences. the subject of immigration is not excempt from that.
However, if you take my advice and I was winding you up, and it leads you to a deportation cell, then that's youir own fault.........advice is as only as good as the amount is costs you.
However generally I find if you spout shitty advice on this forum (either usernet or here) then someone will tell you you're talking bollocks.
Jun 13th 2006, 4:52 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by Manc
Not really. I did my immigration from a VWP without an attorney.
did it on my own.
nothing wrong with getting opinions of others is there?
we all dole out advice based on ones life experiences. the subject of immigration is not excempt from that.
However, if you take my advice and I was winding you up, and it leads you to a deportation cell, then that's youir own fault.........advice is as only as good as the amount is costs you.
However generally I find if you spout shitty advice on this forum (either usernet or here) then someone will tell you you're talking bollocks.
did it on my own.
nothing wrong with getting opinions of others is there?
we all dole out advice based on ones life experiences. the subject of immigration is not excempt from that.
However, if you take my advice and I was winding you up, and it leads you to a deportation cell, then that's youir own fault.........advice is as only as good as the amount is costs you.
However generally I find if you spout shitty advice on this forum (either usernet or here) then someone will tell you you're talking bollocks.
Jun 13th 2006, 5:01 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by Manc
Not really. I did my immigration from a VWP without an attorney.
did it on my own.
nothing wrong with getting opinions of others is there?
we all dole out advice based on ones life experiences. the subject of immigration is not excempt from that.
However, if you take my advice and I was winding you up, and it leads you to a deportation cell, then that's youir own fault.........advice is as only as good as the amount is costs you.
However generally I find if you spout shitty advice on this forum (either usernet or here) then someone will tell you you're talking bollocks.
did it on my own.
nothing wrong with getting opinions of others is there?
we all dole out advice based on ones life experiences. the subject of immigration is not excempt from that.
However, if you take my advice and I was winding you up, and it leads you to a deportation cell, then that's youir own fault.........advice is as only as good as the amount is costs you.
However generally I find if you spout shitty advice on this forum (either usernet or here) then someone will tell you you're talking bollocks.
Jun 13th 2006, 5:43 am
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Re: UK Citizen: Marry or use K1 to be with Fiance?
Originally Posted by rushman
You're talking bollocks!!!
