Yosser

Getting back to the subject. If I get piss poor service, then the servers palm will not be graced with silver from 'el Yosser.

Piss poor service = piss poor tip.

Most resturants around DFW has great service though, if the server tops up my drink, brings out fresh chips and hot sauce without me asking, then it shows that he/she is on the ball and will get a better tip.

gruffbrown

I'm off to get another 'Depends', be right back.

Tbag

The Hospitality/food/eating out industry is so different here.
I am a chef and when I first came over here on a visa with my UK employer it was great because I was in a unique job position within my field.
When I left this company and had to head out into the culinary world of the USA I got quite a shock.
In the UK you have so many independently owned and operated restaurants and cafes....... US is as we all know is mainly dominated by franchises for eating out......of course there are loads of independent ones too.
When I began hitting the job market I was horrified to learn that I was "overqualified" everywhere I went because of my City & Guilds,
and as for Silver Service training "forgetta boutit" (although that is archaic in the UK too now, this was 13 years ago!)
They wanted someone with no creative initiative, that could reproduce the "pictures of meals" sent from corporate office kitchens.
Anyway my point is that the wages tend to be crap in this industry here because they rarely require skilled labor or experience unless you are going for management or corporate dining positions, so the staff all rely heavily on the tips. It is a vicious circle!
I know what you mean though, I get so mad sometimes having to tip when the wait staff are so bloody unfriendly and barely acknowledge your existence when dining out and then you have to tip. I always let them know if the food or service is crap.

Rompers

Most of it isn't meant mate, it's just banter. I like all the piss-taking and do it on here as I've found that Americans don't understand it and get offended whereas on here most people just give it back.

peterbainham

Please don't take it so personally. We all get this treatment at one time or another. BTW this isn't the real world and, as such, the rules of the real world don't apply here in BE. If you don't like it then you know where the door is.

Leslie

Aw, fanks.

Elvira

We are often rude but rarely hostile.
Everyone gets the same treatment but newbies have to prove themselves. Starting a thread that runs to 3+ pages can be a good start provided you don't end up huffing and puffing.
We are not bitter - just whinging Brits

respect? are you serious?!!

RoadWarriorFromLP

It's not bitterness, just pointing out a fairly obvious oversight on your point. If you are going to post an opinion, don't be surprised when someone disagrees with you or identifies your errors.

You could simply try answering the question -- do you believe that prices would not be increased if tips were eliminated in favor of higher wages?

Jerseygirl

I knew it....I've been saying that for weeks.

Ray is on the happy pills, Ray is on the happy pills.

Tolos

Read my post again, I never said I refused to do it. My first sentence stated that I DO happily pay 20% each time because I understand and support THE WORKERS. But subsidising the wages of poorly paid employees is a joke. I'm not talking about just waiters. I'm talking about having to tip porters, cab drivers, massage and fitness stores, etc etc. This stuff adds up over time. Why do those people get a tip, but the helpful old timer at the grocery store doesn't get one? Or why not bus drivers? Or nurses? Or the school teacher who goes above and beyond her duties to help your child?

At what point does "someone simply doing their job" become grounds for tipping? Do garbage men get tips? Do cotton pickers? It's a crappy system.

Yosser

lol

Did you get the ones with "wings"?

Kate2112

People here are speaking to you in same the vein as you describe in another thread...honestly and quite upfront...which you said you appreciated as I recall...and that at the end of the evening you would all shake hands and be friends...it can be very much like that here (especially if you post in the evening when a few libations have been taken lol). Has any of what has been said here changed how you feel about tipping in the UK compared to the UK?

I would also say that Americans who have been forthright in their opinions in the UK have been branded as "bloody yanks" shouting their mouths off blah blah. So perhaps a little of that spills over here when US posters hear another Brit complaining about something like tipping without understanding fully that it is a different cultural thing. Ever been to India or Egypt and had EVERYman and his dog looking for a handout...its a cultural thing there too...people are poor and look to those who have relatively more cash for a "tip" for just being there.

Stick with it ...hold your own and enjoy the opportunity to say what you want to say..but allow perhaps that you may even learn something here. I certainly have

Ok I'm ready bash me one and all

Elvira

And do they turn blue or purple?

peterbainham

This has already been explained but I'll repeat it again for your sake:

Waiters/waitresses recieve little or no salary. Teachers, bus drivers, nurses, garbage men and cotton pickers all do. Comprende?

Elvira

You just can't get enough can you