WEBlue

I agree that the cause(s) of the depression history need to be examined first & foremost before one makes the decision to expatriate. The expat-to-be should look long & hard within to see if this giant move/trauma will be a good one or not, & that involves being honestly investigative about the nature of his/her own depression. That's not so easy to do, but it would seem to be key.

Then, second, research & as much visiting as possible. Even with all this done in advance, however, the mind is a strange thing . . . so there are no guarantees for a depressionless outcome. (And sometimes I suspect a *limited* experience of depression is a useful & necessary step in successfully expatting. But that's just my opinion, based on my experience.)

SultanOfSwing

Yeah, you have a point here.

I moved the the US as a means to an end - to get married and to make it easier on my fiancée, who had a child, so they didn't have to go through the rigmarole of moving to the UK. Being fully honest - I have nothing personal against the US but I have no real personal or emotional investment in it either. I'm here because my wife and children are here and that's it. I will always prefer the UK, I think. This, combined with the apparent return of my depression, my normal introverted nature and my tendency to see the glass as half empty, that leads to some dark days.

Xebedee

So it went away and returned did it? How did you know it had left when it did? Were you diagnosed and aware enough to understand what was happening?

caleyjag

My sister is an interesting example of this.

She first moved to Canada a few years ago and was trying to cope with her various issues without medication. Things didn't work out that well for her work-wise and so coupled with her underlying issues, it was an unmitigated disaster.

She moved back to the UK, got herself together and decided she wanted to give it a second try, this time with the proper medication.

From what I can gather she is now having the time of her life in Calgary and the positive experiences and the great people she has met on this second stint have really helped her battle her anxiety/depression problems.

So I think it can really go drastically either way depending on the circumstances.

SultanOfSwing

It probably never went away, it was just a case of not being symptomatic, probably.

Of course I was diagnosed, in the UK. I'd not say I had it in the first place if I weren't.

Giantaxe

Not sure you can generalize on this, but I do think that life in the US is more stressful than life in the UK. Lack of universal healthcare and a social safety net, for example. Or employment laws that are way more tilted in favour of employers than in the UK. So, I certainly wouldn't advise anyone to move to the US who has difficulty in dealing with stress.

caleyjag

Very good point.

Not to mention the additional safety net offered by friends and family, which you have to build up again from scratch.

scrubbedexpat099

The only difference we are talking about is between those who have a diagnosis, and those who have not.

kins

I have a history of depression that involved medication and fairly extensive treatment.

I emigrated to the US about 10 years after my last major bout of depression (not counting some minor PND) and am very happy here. I've no idea if it will come back, but I don't see it being any more difficult to cope with here than in the UK - if anything I'd say it's easier to access treatment here. Accessing counselling/psychotherapy through the NHS is incredibly difficult.

Xebedee

Mate, no offence, my questions were purely of an inquisitive nature as the only other person I have spoken with who deals with depression is back home in England.
I, myself was diagnosed a few years ago and have been on many different types of happy pills. Nowadays one in particular seems to make things quite workable.

I went undiagnosed for 20yrs until I finally took my Wife's advise and went and talked to a Dr. This was because admitting to "depression" was basically equal to massive personal failure. It still feels a bit that way even now.

Long story short, it is now quite clear that depression has always been there and tied to so much trouble and pain in the past. Have never been to a shrink to discuss the hows and why's. In fact, the Doc never asked about the cause - he just prescribed based upon symptoms - which suits me fine as I'd only feel comfortable discussing these things with another foreigner anyway.

I quite clearly understood what you said in your post, by the way.

SultanOfSwing

Not to worry, none taken.

My doc prescribed based on symptoms too. I'd rather pull out all my fingernails than 'talk about it' to a perfect stranger, of course. I've a pretty strong aversion to that whole world and it sounds like exactly the kind of wank an American doctor would try to force on me so I'll just embrace the misery as my punishment for moving here in the first place.

Xebedee

Punishment.......or doing time?
Sometimes it feels like doing time. Trouble is, when it does, my black dog doesn't let me see anything else around me. It gets pretty damn dark.
Does that make sense?

I'm not really sure, but I have the feeling that when the day comes to return home, its going to be unlike anything else that has gone before.
To be honest, I can walk down the High St of my town and feel completely at ease - you know, just one of the crowd. It takes a few days to re-adjust, but after a week or so it seems like America simply doesn't exist. Except, I know it does as my own family is there doing the things we do every day. Its actually quite odd - like I'm in a parallel universe for a short while.

Fearless Pioneer, Castaway or Jail-bird - I suppose it depends on which way the wind is blowing.

SultanOfSwing

I do know what you mean, there. That's how I felt when I last went back too.

Sally Redux

Me too.

Jerseygirl

I haven't posted before in this thread because I've posted many times about how moving here has affected me. I've been through a few bad times but nothing ever got me down. I am quite a strong person...if necessary I can sit myself down and give myself a good talking to and sort myself out. After moving here I found that no longer worked...I couldn't rationalise what was happening to me. The last thing I wanted was to talk to a doctor...that would be admitting failure and I couldn't do that...I still can't do that. St John's Wort helped me tremendously...I sometimes have black days...when I do I take 3 SJW tabs and they lift my mood.