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yellowroom Nov 1st 2012 6:44 am

Re: Sandy
 
When are you getting the power back on JerseyGirl? My boss's sister in NJ has been told not to expect it before Nov 10th. :ohmy:

I can't see the infrastructure being upgraded anytime soon. You will never ever get agreement on who would pay. It's cheaper to employ people to fix it when it breaks.

After all, what's a disgruntled customer going to do - build a powerstation in their back yard?

Sally Redux Nov 1st 2012 6:44 am

Re: Sandy
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 10361239)
It's very indicative of the political climate here that there has been no mention of climate in this election campaign.

I saw the Moore interview. I don't particularly agree with him. I see no problem in having private utilities as long as they are properly regulated. The problem is, they're not. We've had that here in the Bay Area where after the PG&E pipeline explosion, it's become pretty clear that the oversight has been lax or non-existent.

They have to be regulated, and have an element of competition.

Sally Redux Nov 1st 2012 6:46 am

Re: Sandy
 

Originally Posted by yellowroom (Post 10361243)
When are you getting the power back on JerseyGirl? My boss's sister in NJ has been told not to expect it before Nov 10th. :ohmy:

I can't see the infrastructure being upgraded anytime soon. You will never ever get agreement on who would pay. It's cheaper to employ people to fix it when it breaks.

After all, what's a disgruntled customer going to do - build a powerstation in their back yard?

Who actually pays to fix it? (Genuine question)

Yes, I really feel for all those without power.

N1cky Nov 1st 2012 6:48 am

Re: Sandy
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 10361245)
They have to be regulated, and have an element of competition.

They don't have to have an element of competition in the U.S.

Sally Redux Nov 1st 2012 6:49 am

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Originally Posted by N1cky (Post 10361252)
They don't have to have an element of competition in the U.S.

Exactly - I meant they need to have. Otherwise Moore is correct.

dakota44 Nov 1st 2012 6:52 am

Re: Sandy
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10361203)
Being as this has turned into another political thread...I blame Obama and every OPUS before him for the mess the NE is in. When is someone going to pull their $&@$&@$& finger out and sort out the electrical infrastructure of this third world $&@$&@$& country?

:frown::frown::frown::frown:

Obama put forward an infrastructure plan to Congress and the Repubs in the House shot it down. He still wants it and, if he gets a second term, maybe it will happen. Nothing can be done without the approval of congress.

Jerseygirl Nov 1st 2012 6:52 am

Re: Sandy
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 10361251)
Who actually pays to fix it? (Genuine question)

Yes, i really feel for all those without power.

Which ever way you look at it...we do. Either as taxpayers or consumers. I am absolutely disgusted by the amount of money spent on elections and by the calibre of candidates.

Sally Redux Nov 1st 2012 6:53 am

Re: Sandy
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10361261)
Which ever way you look at it...we do. Either as taxpayers or consumers. I am absolutely disgusted by the amount of money spent on elections and by the calibre of candidates.

Cynical minds say they pay that much to keep out anyone who could actually change things.

Boomhauer Nov 1st 2012 6:54 am

Re: Sandy
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10361203)
Being as this has turned into another political thread...I blame Obama and every OPUS before him for the mess the NE is in. When is someone going to pull their $&@$&@$& finger out and sort out the electrical infrastructure of this third world $&@$&@$& country?

:frown::frown::frown::frown:

I wonder if it would make a difference were power lines underground.

lansbury Nov 1st 2012 6:56 am

Re: Sandy
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10361203)
Being as this has turned into another political thread...I blame Obama and every OPUS before him for the mess the NE is in. When is someone going to pull their $&@$&@$& finger out and sort out the electrical infrastructure of this third world $&@$&@$& country?

:frown::frown::frown::frown:

Just watched a recording of Men Who Built America last night. When Edison put the first power grid in New York, he put the cables underground. :)

Jerseygirl Nov 1st 2012 6:59 am

Re: Sandy
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 10361251)
Who actually pays to fix it? (Genuine question)

Yes, i really feel for all those without power.

Which ever way you look at it...we do...either as taxpayers or consumers. How do other countries manage to have decent power infrastructure...countries that don't claim to be the biggest, bestest country in the world?

Maybe they could start by using some of the billions the spend on elections. Get people back to work by pulling this country into the 21st century

dakota44 Nov 1st 2012 7:00 am

Re: Sandy
 

Originally Posted by Boomhauer (Post 10361264)
I wonder if it would make a difference were power lines underground.

For wind and snow, yes. At huge expense. Utilities are not going to do it. Too costly and it's cheaper to pay for the repairs after the odd storm. In many places new subdivisions have to have underground cables, but that is a product of aesthetics and no unsightly electric poles.

Sally Redux Nov 1st 2012 7:03 am

Re: Sandy
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10361275)
Which ever way you look at it...we do...either as taxpayers or consumers. How do other countries manage to have decent power infrastructure...countries that don't claim to be the biggest, bestest country in the world?

Maybe they could start by using some of the billions the spend on elections. Get people back to work by pulling this country into the 21st century

I think that believing they are 'simply the best' is really holding this country back.

First they have to admit that they have problems, then look at a way forward.

Unfortunately, as Dakota mentioned, having a Congress which simply refuses to co-operate is an additional obstacle.

Sally Redux Nov 1st 2012 7:04 am

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Originally Posted by dakota44 (Post 10361279)
For wind and snow, yes. At huge expense. Utilities are not going to do it. Too costly and it's cheaper to pay for the repairs after the odd storm. In many places new subdivisions have to have underground cables, but that is a product of aesthetics and no unsightly electric poles.

'The odd storm' is going to become much more frequent though.

Giantaxe Nov 1st 2012 7:05 am

Re: Sandy
 

Originally Posted by Boomhauer (Post 10361264)
I wonder if it would make a difference were power lines underground.

Some discussion here. I'm surprised by the last bullet on disadvantages. I've always felt that overground poles would snap in a large earthquake, but the recent experience in Christchurch suggests that underground cables may be more susceptible:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undergrounding


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