Don't try and hide your anger towards Jews on my behalf.
Anger towards Jews? You are delusional and are just seeking attention, as most zionists do. Or should I say zionazis? Please, realise that there are better ways to seek attention, and smearing campaigns are not one of them.
Many Jews are opposed to a Jewish State?
Indeed they are. I can list a dozen links to organisations or individuals who regularly organise protests or are activists against the "cause" of a "Jewish state".
Tell me, what plan do they support, that of the surrounding Arab nations who want to not only take the land but kill the Jews?
Oh please. You seem to be vomiting the same crap you are fed by your zionist rabbi who prefers to follow Herzl's philosophy than the Torah. Arabs do not want to kill Jews. That is not their aim. That their targets are Jews does not mean they are necessarily anti-Semitic. At least most of them are not. Yes, there is some anti-Semitism in the Arab world, but that is not what the whole issue is all about. Decades ago, when there was no such thing as a "Jewish state", Arabs/Palestinians and Jews were neighbours, Arabs went to Jewish doctors, the Palestinians even trusted the keys to their homes to Jews when they fled the massacres by the "Jewish army" which claimed it was based on "purity of arms".
What about resettlement? That didn't seem to work historically which is why the Jews overwhelmingly supported the notion of their own state after WW2.
What "resettlement"? "Israel" is not there to "save" Jews from outside danger. If anything, it has put Jews into more danger than they would've been in after the Nazis were defeated... And what about the refugees YOU have created in the process of "securing" yourself? Is YOUR life and YOUR future more precious and more valuable than that of an Arab or a Palestinian? You have created enemies where previously there were friends. YOU have CHOSEN to surround yourself by Arab enemies, and then whine whine whine. YOU have stolen their land, and then pretend you're the victim. YOU have always claimed you are always the victim and can never be the oppressor. YOU are responsible for all that is happening to Jews in "Israel" now. And by "YOU" I don't mean individual you, general you, as in the zionist entity and its followers, who jump from one excuse to another justification for the creation of a "Jewish state" at the expense of the lives of non-Jews.
Aparently there is another group of people who equate Israel with Judaism - Muslims
If the zionists claim it, why shouldn't Arabs/Muslims, too? Are you saying that Jews can say that Israel is the realisation of the Jewish dream, or the "longing" as the Hatikvah (anthem) talks about, but Arabs should not and if they do, they are anti-Semites?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only reason Jews in Europe are attacked is because they are either just hated for being Jews or because they are equated as being Israel.
The Jews in Europe are targeted, I would say, by 2 groups: neo-Nazis/racists, or Muslims. I am not looking to justify those attacks. But Europe's Jews HAVE expressed their loyalty to "Israel". Not saying that it should make them legitimate targets, but when you do that, you cannot expect people not to find excuses to hurt you. Not only that, but many hold dual citizenship and have served in the I"D"F. Do you expect ME to have any respect for someone who has served in the I"D"F and has contributed to the slaughter of innocent children who are on their way to school??? WEll, let me tell you something, I have no respect for any Jew, or anyone no matter what their religion is, who claims "purity of arms" and then goes and shoots at children. At least be honest about it, and stop playing the victim.
That doesn't mean the left aren't anti semitic also
The left aren't anti-Semitic, for the last ****ing time. They are NOT, I repeat, they are NOT anti-Semites. All the anti-Semitism comes from the RIGHT (neo-Nazis, etc.) And believe it or not, even your fundamentalist Christian friends and protectors are anti-Semites. Do you really think they give a crap about Jews? For Christ's sake, they have mentioned time and again, that they intend to convert all Jews to Christianity!
just that they choose to exercise their hatred in other ways, like ignoring the fact that the occupied territories were only taken as buffer zones after the Arabs attacked Israel or the fact that if Islam and Arab countries declared peace with Israel there would be peace but if Israel layed down it's arms there would be another holocaust.
Hahahahahaha... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. You've been reading a lot of "Israeli" literature, eh? The 1967 war in which the Sinai, Gaza Strip, West Bank, and Golan Heights were occupied was in fact started by ISRAEL. Yes, you read it right, the first shots were fired by Israel when they attacked the Egyptians on their own territory. And buffer zone? Are you kidding me? Last I checked, building settlements and settling CIVILIANS in these areas does not give the idea of a "buffer zone".......... Moreover, "Israelis" think they can do to the Palestinians what they did to the Egyptians: i.e. "sell" the illegally occupied land for "peace". Those lands are ILLEGALLY occupied, and are not up to negotiation to begin with. What is up to negotiation are the 1948 lands. Not even the right of return of the refugees. Even Libya has taken steps to compensate the Jews who were kicked out. Do I see such a thing from "Israel"? You are yet to provide proof that if the Israelis stop massacring innocent civilians, open the borders, free the prisoners, the Palestinians won't put down their weapons and work towards peace. I can assure you that more than 90% of Palestinians are sick of living in war for the past 57 years.
The real fallacy is that while the Palestinians try to bring down Israel, the surrounding Arab nations have not lifted a finger to either offer resettlement or financial aid for their brothers in Islam.
Why should they? THEY were not the ones who kicked them out and slaughtered them, did they? So what you're saying is that you want the other Arab countries to compensate for what YOU did. Where's the logic in that?
It is expected that Christian countries in Europe, Australia and Nth America do that.
So what you're saying is that all/any countries should do that, except Israel, the one responsible for it. Awesome. I think you have set a good precedent for dictators, who will, from now on, bring "Israel" as an example to refuse letting in refugees and pay compensation...
Palestinians traditionally lived in parts of Jordan and Syria also but they don't seem to be wanting any of that land for a state.
Traditionally lived???????? No, those who lived in Jordan and Syria are Jordanians and Syrians respectively, not Palestinians. The Palestinians who now live in Jordan and Syria have been there for only one generation, after they became refugees.
No, the only land they want for their state is that now held by ISrael.
Actually, long before your beloved "Israel" was established, Arabs wanted to get their independence from the British. In fact, Arabs elsewhere did get their independence long before "Israel" was founded, such as Lebanon from the French mandate in 1943. Your claim that Arabs don't care about freedom or a state of their own is utterly ignorant and racist. That's like claiming that Arabs are fit only to be ruled.
Other traditional lands don't hold the same value to them because taking those lands won't mean conflict with people they hate. The hatred of Jews by Muslims began well before Israel.
Actually, the Palestinians did try to take over Jordan. Black September. The PLO was eventually kicked out of Jordan and then moved to Lebanon, where the Christian zionists started a war with them and the socialist Muslims, not so surprisingly with the blessing and "support" of your beloved "pure of arms" (umm, Sabra & Shatila, anyone? West Beirut 1982, anyone?) "Israel". THAT is what bombing civilians is like. Not some bomb in some bus that the "Israelis" whine about constantly. Ever felt what it's like to have 30,000 civilians killed in one day of cluster bombing of civilian buildings? Maybe you have to feel it on your skin to realise that others suffer too, and not just Jews. And that Jews are capable of being oppressors just like anyone can be.
Last edited by DanMarsden; Jan 23rd 2005 at 4:46 pm.
That's nice. Try looking from outside Europe. You've already killed what 26 million? Your history seems to be repeating of late.
Your beloved tiny poor little country that's always victimised has killed more than 400,000 alone (including on others' territory), and made another 3 million refugees (and I'm not even taking into account the number of victims a future use of nukes would bring about). Don't flatter yourself. And let's not play the numbers game. If life is just a statistic for you (I would say you only value Jewish life, the rest is just stats), it is not for me and many others. And did anyone ever break it to you that one wrong does not make another one right?
Jan 23rd 2005, 4:40 pm
Re: Rice - Iran
