superleeds

Hi all, hope someone can help.

I have a GC thru marriage and our 2 children are US Citizens (by birth). They have SSN's and Passports of their own. Any advice appreciated on going about registering them as British Citizens too. I know the US doesn't normally recognise dual nationality. Their still young, 3 & 4, but I would like to give them the additional opportunities for when they are older. Any do's and dont's I should be aware off.

Noorah101

Try this: http://local.iee.org/usa/new_engl/NE...birthreg02.pdf

Rene

neil

The cost looks out of date on that form. I recently got this one (haven't done anything with it yet though).

http://www.britainusa.com/consular/birthregapp.pdf

Giantaxe

I think you'll find that the US does formally recognize dual-citizenship in the case of someone born in the US. But I am unsure what is to be gained by registering their birth as opposed to merely getting them a UK passport (which I'm assuming they're entitled to based on your citizenship status)?

TRPardoe

As far as the US is concerned they are US citizens, but based on their parentage they are also British citizens.

It is irrelevant what either country thinks of the duality.

neil

There have been a few threads on this and I'm still undecided. Some people seem to say it is worthwhile but really it's a matter of paperwork. If the kid has all the documents required to get a passport (i.e. birth certificate of British parent(s)) then I don't see a reason for them to have a certificate proving they are British. It seems to me just a matter of which papers you'd rather give them when they're older.

JAJ

The problem is that the "documents" you mention might be much harder to replace in 20-30 years time and child might have real hassle/delay proving their British citizenship without a consular birth certificate.

I can't really understand why some people even contemplate not getting one (despite what embassy officials say).

JAJ

Incidentally the U.S. is ok with dual citizenship for naturalized Americans too. If that's the reason you've not become a U.S. citizen think again.

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/

Giantaxe

Maybe I'm missing something here, but once you have a passport for said child, there is presumably no need for such a document:- you (or your child) has a passport and the UK has a record of the issuance of it. The only reason I think think of for getting a consular birth certificate is if you don't wish to get a British passport for the child for the forseeable future.

JAJ

It's a record but not considered a conclusive record. Also, British passports overseas are issued by the Foreign Office, while consular birth records are maintained by the General Register Office.

Whenever a passport is lost/stolen, citizenship must be proved from scratch. Same is likely to apply when a person goes for a first adult passport.

Of course searches could be done etc if the documents were not available but these could takes weeks/months. A consular birth certificate can be replaced easily.

But obviously it's your child, your choice. I just can't see why so many people have such a difficulty with ensuring their children have civil documentation that is as complete as possible.

Elvira

Hear, hear!

If my children had been born abroad I would have fought tooth and nail to ensure that they get British birth certificates.

Jerseygirl

Yep me too.

Giantaxe

I know for sure the latter is incorrect: a passport for an under 16 is the same as one for over 16s except that it's validity is more limited. Renewal to an over 16 passport is treated the same as renewal of an adult passport. It is true, however, that if the child was originally added to the parent's passport, the application for an over 16 passport is treated as a first-time application.

As for citizenship having to be proven from scratch in the event of a passport being stolen/lost, I am unconvinced that is the case. The lost/stolen passport form asks for info about the prior passport, including the passport's number, date and place of issue. It doesn't say anything about proving citizenship from scratch. And I personally know someone who got their passport replaced whilst travelling abroad for an extended period on the basis of details of the previous passport and proof of his identity. It does, however, highlight the need when travelling to keep a record of one's passport details separate from the passport itself.

Elvira

A passport is just a travel document.

A birth certificate is........... so much more...

That's my tuppence, anyway

JAJ

May have been true in the past, it's not true any more, from a quick glance at the Passport Office website.

It's also now the case in Australia. First adult passport => new application.

Really depends on whether you want your child to have to do things the easy way or the hard way.

One thing you can be sure of is that proving identity and citizenship is going to get harder in future. Not easier.

I really can't see how it can be responsible to turn down a chance to make life easier for your child in future. But it's your child, your choice.