Reflections after 20 years in the US
#16
I've been here longer than you. There are many good things about this country, and many good people in it trying to make it better. But I don't really fit, which isn't really the fault of the US, it's just the way it is. The cultures are very different. I am also in the process of hunting down UK work and hoping to make the move. My son is at uni in the UK and wants to stay there, so I particularly want to be in the same country as him. Lucky you getting the Europass!
25 years for me. We came for a year or two because of my husband’s job. We always thought we would eventually go back to the UK. I wish our daughter had gone to uni in the UK…
#18
I've spent most of my life in the US,I will have been here 54 years this year, I've never had any great longing to go back to the UK, or romantic notions of how much better it would have been if I had stayed.
I don't find any great difference between the people, British or American, some I like, some I dislike and most I'm indifferent to.
My biggest regret is not being there for my parents in their last years. I have children, and grandchildren here and no one in the UK, so I'm here for better or worse.
On balance for the better,
I don't find any great difference between the people, British or American, some I like, some I dislike and most I'm indifferent to.
My biggest regret is not being there for my parents in their last years. I have children, and grandchildren here and no one in the UK, so I'm here for better or worse.
On balance for the better,
#19
Separation from children is the worst, I don't care how old they are. The pull doesn't go away.
#20
As far as eyes are concerned, I have suffered bouts of Iritis over the last thirty years. In the UK there are very few specialists that will touch it and the care was always prompt with plenty of repeat visits booked during flare ups. Here, not only does my health insurance kick up a fuss whenever they are billed for eyecare, it would appear that every opthalmologist considers themselves capable of treating Iritis and they send you away with a script for a $250 10ml bottle of Pred Forte and tell you to come back in two weeks. Can't say that I'm overly impressed that such a blasé attitude prevails toward a condition that can blind you in three days if not dealt with properly.
My other main gripe is the sheer cost of healthcare, I'm insured through my wife's education board system, there is no way I can afford my own insurance. Come August, my wife's insurance will finish and if she doesn't get a job with healthcare thrown in we will be uninsured in a state where we have to earn less than $1500/month to qualify for medicaid. Even though we are insured, and my wife pays an extortionate monthly amount to keep me on her insurance, I still got hit for a total of $2400 in bills following a trip to the ER with a bit of a cramp. The figure the medical establishment reckoned was worth trying for with our insurers was in excess of $24,000, just to reiterate, that was for a cramp which was cured with a script for hefty muscle relaxants. At our age, we can't afford to be uninsured and yet we find ourselves in a position where it may soon just not be possible and even then no-one ever knows if their next medical hiccup will be the one that bankrupts them and leaves them homeless because the insurance company doesn't fancy stumping up.
The UK may have it's yobs but it's only in the US, (and only 7 years at that) that I'm now going to start using my other hand to count the gunshot victims I knew of.
Obviously, I can't speak for the States as a whole but if you have a few bucks it is easier to extricate yourself from real life and live in a sanitary gated community with all the other nice white folks. however, I live and work among the same type of people that I did in the UK and it never ceases to amaze me how many US folks of my age have long since buried their parents, my last remaining grandmother only died recently and not one of my many siblings has yet to rid themselves of an in-law.... Americans in my social group just don't seem to live as long as their UK counterparts, which is odd considering how proud they are of their health system....
My other main gripe is the sheer cost of healthcare, I'm insured through my wife's education board system, there is no way I can afford my own insurance. Come August, my wife's insurance will finish and if she doesn't get a job with healthcare thrown in we will be uninsured in a state where we have to earn less than $1500/month to qualify for medicaid. Even though we are insured, and my wife pays an extortionate monthly amount to keep me on her insurance, I still got hit for a total of $2400 in bills following a trip to the ER with a bit of a cramp. The figure the medical establishment reckoned was worth trying for with our insurers was in excess of $24,000, just to reiterate, that was for a cramp which was cured with a script for hefty muscle relaxants. At our age, we can't afford to be uninsured and yet we find ourselves in a position where it may soon just not be possible and even then no-one ever knows if their next medical hiccup will be the one that bankrupts them and leaves them homeless because the insurance company doesn't fancy stumping up.
The UK may have it's yobs but it's only in the US, (and only 7 years at that) that I'm now going to start using my other hand to count the gunshot victims I knew of.
Obviously, I can't speak for the States as a whole but if you have a few bucks it is easier to extricate yourself from real life and live in a sanitary gated community with all the other nice white folks. however, I live and work among the same type of people that I did in the UK and it never ceases to amaze me how many US folks of my age have long since buried their parents, my last remaining grandmother only died recently and not one of my many siblings has yet to rid themselves of an in-law.... Americans in my social group just don't seem to live as long as their UK counterparts, which is odd considering how proud they are of their health system....
Last edited by vikingsail; May 19th 2021 at 11:08 pm.
#21
I have to say, I don't agree with much of what has been posted here. I've been here for 8 years, have become fully 'Americanized' and have built a life for myself. Perhaps it's because I never had these back in the UK (I moved at 28, and had not really 'put down roots' in the UK) but I can't imagine upping sticks and moving again.
I live in a part of the world which is almost entirely full tilt right from my own politics (I only know of one other person that I work with that voted for Biden) and I will sometimes rant about it, but it's not so bad. People here are, on the whole, good people that would help anyone who needed it. Perhaps that's my experience because I am white, and it would be different if I was from a different culture.
As to the decline of infrastructure, that argument can be levelled at most developed countries, including the UK. Heathrow is not exactly in an 'as new' condition, nor is the M25. Capitalization is the same the world over. We all know that the truth of US healthcare is that it FAR surpasses the NHS in terms of quality, but also far surpasses the NHS in terms of cost. If you are affluent enough to make it work, the US is, financially, generally a better place to be, IMO.
At the end of the day, life is pretty much what you make it. People are as happy as they decide to be.
I live in a part of the world which is almost entirely full tilt right from my own politics (I only know of one other person that I work with that voted for Biden) and I will sometimes rant about it, but it's not so bad. People here are, on the whole, good people that would help anyone who needed it. Perhaps that's my experience because I am white, and it would be different if I was from a different culture.
As to the decline of infrastructure, that argument can be levelled at most developed countries, including the UK. Heathrow is not exactly in an 'as new' condition, nor is the M25. Capitalization is the same the world over. We all know that the truth of US healthcare is that it FAR surpasses the NHS in terms of quality, but also far surpasses the NHS in terms of cost. If you are affluent enough to make it work, the US is, financially, generally a better place to be, IMO.
At the end of the day, life is pretty much what you make it. People are as happy as they decide to be.
#22
I have to say, I don't agree with much of what has been posted here. I've been here for 8 years, have become fully 'Americanized' and have built a life for myself. Perhaps it's because I never had these back in the UK (I moved at 28, and had not really 'put down roots' in the UK) but I can't imagine upping sticks and moving again.
I live in a part of the world which is almost entirely full tilt right from my own politics (I only know of one other person that I work with that voted for Biden) and I will sometimes rant about it, but it's not so bad. People here are, on the whole, good people that would help anyone who needed it. Perhaps that's my experience because I am white, and it would be different if I was from a different culture.
As to the decline of infrastructure, that argument can be levelled at most developed countries, including the UK. Heathrow is not exactly in an 'as new' condition, nor is the M25. Capitalization is the same the world over. We all know that the truth of US healthcare is that it FAR surpasses the NHS in terms of quality, but also far surpasses the NHS in terms of cost. If you are affluent enough to make it work, the US is, financially, generally a better place to be, IMO.
At the end of the day, life is pretty much what you make it. People are as happy as they decide to be.
I live in a part of the world which is almost entirely full tilt right from my own politics (I only know of one other person that I work with that voted for Biden) and I will sometimes rant about it, but it's not so bad. People here are, on the whole, good people that would help anyone who needed it. Perhaps that's my experience because I am white, and it would be different if I was from a different culture.
As to the decline of infrastructure, that argument can be levelled at most developed countries, including the UK. Heathrow is not exactly in an 'as new' condition, nor is the M25. Capitalization is the same the world over. We all know that the truth of US healthcare is that it FAR surpasses the NHS in terms of quality, but also far surpasses the NHS in terms of cost. If you are affluent enough to make it work, the US is, financially, generally a better place to be, IMO.
At the end of the day, life is pretty much what you make it. People are as happy as they decide to be.
Some people fit, some people don't, some people live part way in-between. It's a dynamic between each individual and the country/culture in question, so it's going to be a bit different for everyone. As a country stuffed with first-generation immigrants from all over the world, there are people here who fall into all the categories and that doesn't make anyone right or wrong. Horses for courses, etc. It's only sad for the people who get stuck somewhere they don't really want to be any more and where they feel overall alienated. if you have the power to move when/where you want, it isn't really an issue either way.
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You'd think that given how many billions of pounds a year they spend subsiding our public services and paying for out free prescriptions and free university education, they'd be absolutely delighted to see the back of us...
#25
Don't get me wrong, I'm not unhappy with my move. People are the same wherever you go, even if the cultures or politics are wildly different, and I don't tend to dwell on the fact that moving to a culture with a minimal safety net will quite probably bite me hard in the ass as and when I can no longer do manual work, luckily I have the kind of skills that mean I will never have to be concerned about ageism in the workplace, I just need to keep fingers crossed that my body holds up and the accidents aren't too grim.
At heart, I don't have a lot of sympathy for whiners, sure life can be tough but many expats can usually return to their motherland if they don't like their adoptive country. My wife would love to live in the UK but the visa situation is unlikely to ever be a fiscally prudent move for us. If we ever get our act together we might well go squat with some of my siblings for a couple of months at a time so that madam can 'do' the UK while I grab some green...
At heart, I don't have a lot of sympathy for whiners, sure life can be tough but many expats can usually return to their motherland if they don't like their adoptive country. My wife would love to live in the UK but the visa situation is unlikely to ever be a fiscally prudent move for us. If we ever get our act together we might well go squat with some of my siblings for a couple of months at a time so that madam can 'do' the UK while I grab some green...
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Thanks to the OP, that was a great post.
Some similar experiences my self, been here 21 years so far.
3 more till State retirement then we will be traveling back and forth to the UK for hopefully 6 months at a time.
Narrow boat in the UK to live on, smaller house here in the States.
Some similar experiences my self, been here 21 years so far.
3 more till State retirement then we will be traveling back and forth to the UK for hopefully 6 months at a time.
Narrow boat in the UK to live on, smaller house here in the States.
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If Brussels is willing to make up for the shortfall then problem’s solved.
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Thanks to the OP, that was a great post.
Some similar experiences my self, been here 21 years so far.
3 more till State retirement then we will be traveling back and forth to the UK for hopefully 6 months at a time.
Narrow boat in the UK to live on, smaller house here in the States.
Some similar experiences my self, been here 21 years so far.
3 more till State retirement then we will be traveling back and forth to the UK for hopefully 6 months at a time.
Narrow boat in the UK to live on, smaller house here in the States.
But yes, this is a great thread- thanks to OP.
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I originally went to the US 27 years ago to pursue an opportunity. Had a tremendous experience during the 25 years whilst there. If all had been well I would probably not have left and returned to the UK to pursue a new opportunity. Life is full of opportunities but only if one recognises them as such.






