REAL ID
Oct 27th 2014, 4:01 am
#106
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Re: REAL ID
There have been many times when we have just been waved through, slowing down without actually stopping. However, one time each and every car was stopped. The first question out of the officer's mouth was, "Is everyone in the vehicle a USC?"
Now I'm sure it would have been the easiest thing in the world to say yes and we would have probably been waved on, but as my citizenship interview was a week away and one of the questions asked is "have you ever claimed to be a USC" it wasn't something I even considered.
He asked if I was a permanent resident and I said yes. He asked to see my GC. It took a while as I had put my wallet in my gf's handbag which had fallen down on the back seat, but he waited patiently until I found the bag, wallet and produced the card.
I guess I could have been ones of those wankers on the video and said you have no right to see my card and got into an argument, but my time is much more important to me than trying to prove I'm right and risk getting sent to a room for questioning.
Now I'm sure it would have been the easiest thing in the world to say yes and we would have probably been waved on, but as my citizenship interview was a week away and one of the questions asked is "have you ever claimed to be a USC" it wasn't something I even considered.
He asked if I was a permanent resident and I said yes. He asked to see my GC. It took a while as I had put my wallet in my gf's handbag which had fallen down on the back seat, but he waited patiently until I found the bag, wallet and produced the card.
I guess I could have been ones of those wankers on the video and said you have no right to see my card and got into an argument, but my time is much more important to me than trying to prove I'm right and risk getting sent to a room for questioning.
Oct 27th 2014, 4:35 am
#107
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Re: REAL ID
I'm not taking my passport or green card with me to fly domestically. That's insane. Has anyone pointed out to the 9/11 commission that the weapons the hijackers used were perfectly legal to take on an aircraft and that no amount of increasing ID checks would stop that.
"If you are a permanent resident age 18 or older, you are required to have a valid green card in your possession at all times."
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Oct 27th 2014, 4:50 am
#108
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Re: REAL ID
Aren't you supposed to be carrying your green card with you to begin with?
"If you are a permanent resident age 18 or older, you are required to have a valid green card in your possession at all times."
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"If you are a permanent resident age 18 or older, you are required to have a valid green card in your possession at all times."
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No guarantee implied or otherwise.
Oct 27th 2014, 1:22 pm
#109
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Re: REAL ID
Aren't you supposed to be carrying your green card with you to begin with?
"If you are a permanent resident age 18 or older, you are required to have a valid green card in your possession at all times."
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"If you are a permanent resident age 18 or older, you are required to have a valid green card in your possession at all times."
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Oct 27th 2014, 1:23 pm
#110
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Re: REAL ID
Indeed. I'm a middle class white guy with a Oxford British accent. I've never even had my immigration status here questioned let alone investigated. Quite disappointed really. Even the CHP officer in CA didn't ask about my status when he pulled me for a red light infraction. They (local & state law enforcement) simply don't care - unless you're not white.
Last edited by hungryhorace; Oct 27th 2014 at 1:26 pm.
Oct 27th 2014, 1:59 pm
#111
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Re: REAL ID
Indeed. I'm a middle class white guy with a Oxford British accent. I've never even had my immigration status here questioned let alone investigated. Quite disappointed really. Even the CHP officer in CA didn't ask about my status when he pulled me for a red light infraction. They (local & state law enforcement) simply don't care - unless you're not white.
Oct 27th 2014, 2:15 pm
#113
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Re: REAL ID
It's strange because the license has a notation (driving privileges only) that isn't indicated on a normal license but illegals get them since they aren't concerned that the police will use it to check their immigration status. It is sensible to issue driver's license since they will drive anyway and will be uninsured. If they have a license, they can register a car but it has to be insured.
Oct 27th 2014, 2:20 pm
#114
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Re: REAL ID
It's strange because the license has a notation (driving privileges only) that isn't indicated on a normal license but illegals get them since they aren't concerned that the police will use it to check their immigration status. It is sensible to issue driver's license since they will drive anyway and will be uninsured. If they have a license, they can register a car but it has to be insured.
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Oct 27th 2014, 2:31 pm
#115
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Re: REAL ID
Curious.
Oct 27th 2014, 2:38 pm
#116
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Re: REAL ID
That's better than nothing which is what we had before.
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Oct 27th 2014, 2:48 pm
#117
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Re: REAL ID
This article gives you an idea of the reality of the situation:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/us...ence.html?_r=0
And this article, from a pretty balanced publication, gives a real sense of what these guys go through and why.
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Oct 27th 2014, 2:51 pm
#118
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Re: REAL ID
I know. I've read all about it. I simply don't care. They're not welcome. They should bugger off back across the border and not come back. That goes for the Eastern Europeans that have flooded into England also, but unfortunately they've got the legal right to stay in England.
Last edited by hungryhorace; Oct 27th 2014 at 2:55 pm.
Oct 27th 2014, 2:54 pm
#119
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Re: REAL ID
I'll help fill the blanks for you: driving without a licence is a criminal offence. Not carrying an I-551 is a civil offence (and rarely, if ever, enforced).
Oct 27th 2014, 2:56 pm
#120
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Re: REAL ID
Number of times I was asked to present my green card to anyone other than a border agent (or when I gave them back at my oath ceremony) in three years as a PR? Zero.